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Psiga · Posts: 3990

Well, that was uneventful. It's kind-of The Worst of Tim Rogers, talked about by a guy who decided to not be funny. I want scathing wit, damn it. Put Tim in Fashion SWAT or something.

Quick Shot II Turbo · Posts: 468

dadum:
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3475

And a lot of it is true. It's just that, Zack hates tim for the reasons that I enjoy him.

But yeah, Zack is turning into maddox.

Szczepaniak · Posts: 815

I really, really like The Escapist and those who run it. They're awesome.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

108 · Posts: 2600

huh?

does this mean i'm going to get lots of hits?

. . . do i know this guy?

IIOIOOIOO · Posts: 91

Congratulations on being internet-famous. You're like that "Hello my future girlfriend!" guy.

doomquake · Posts: 765

Just finished reading the SA post.. I was mildly disapointed.

It sort of felt like it was written by someone who had sort of briefly skimmed across a couple of Tim's articles, but hadn't actually bothered to read them. Not someone who truly understood it and hated it. Also it was suprisingly dull.

To be perfectly honest, I detested Tim's writing when I first began reading it, and found it awfully hard to get through it all. I even left a cranky anonymous reply on largeprimenumbers due to my frustration with the length of an article. It'd pushed me past my bedtime or something.

But for some reason, despite originally hating it, I kept on reading. Suppose it contains some sort of addictive quality to it. It's always very interesting.. raises a lot of thought provoking topics that I've gone on to ponder for long periods of time. Though I'll admit sometimes I do think 'oh god what the fuck is he talking about now?! this was a game review a minute ago..' but still, I really like it. The end. (that was meant to sound positive)

Psiga · Posts: 3990

DeusJester wrote:

I've seen toothier attacks on Tim's writing on these boards. That was a letdown.

Quoted for Truedattitude, homeslicer. Fo' shizzazzlez.

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing of value to come from this event is that I became aware of the slow-motion urn quote. That's awesome.

James · Posts: 1735

Deets wrote:

What's so awful about The Escapist again?

They had a big massive article lauding fatty prototype hoarders as some kind of cool underground network, and not in fact selfish, grasping butter children who should have their wares stolen and dumped.

And the layout is shit.

Psiga · Posts: 3990

James wrote:

They had a big massive article lauding fatty prototype hoarders as some kind of cool underground network, and not in fact selfish, grasping butter children who should have their wares stolen and dumped.

And the layout is shit.

Tell me, seriously.... Is that where Endless Chris has gone off to?

James · Posts: 1735

Psiga wrote:

James wrote:

They had a big massive article lauding fatty prototype hoarders as some kind of cool underground network, and not in fact selfish, grasping butter children who should have their wares stolen and dumped.

And the layout is shit.

Tell me, seriously.... Is that where Endless Chris has gone off to?

He had to go to the hospital to get that magnificent BURN treated, so it's said.

FortNinety · Posts: 4591

James wrote:

Deets wrote:

What's so awful about The Escapist again?

They had a big massive article lauding fatty prototype hoarders as some kind of cool underground network, and not in fact selfish, grasping butter children who should have their wares stolen and dumped.

And the layout is shit.

Oh paing Mr, Szczepaniak....

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

James wrote:

Deets wrote:

What's so awful about The Escapist again?

They had a big massive article lauding fatty prototype hoarders as some kind of cool underground network, and not in fact selfish, grasping butter children who should have their wares stolen and dumped.

And the layout is shit.

I really liked that article! True, those people should be mugged in the interests of the internet community at large (IwannaplayRE1.5youfagootslol!!z!1) but it was a good read.

Mister Toups · Posts: 4943

I don't know, reading this gives me the usual impression I have of something awful, that they are grasping at straws. He complains about Tim name-dropping in that selection from the Sakura Taisen review, and yet... he only makes reference to Takeshi's Challenge, and in this case is actually courteous enough to explain what it is he's making reference to (instead of just assuming we're familiar with it) AND is even nice enough to immediately tie it into the game he's reviewing in the very next paragraph.

I mean -- it's true that Tim does do a lot of excessive name dropping. It's just, how hard would it have been to find a better example? The We <3 Katamari review comes to mind...

Clutchbone · Posts: 160

Conversely, I still have no idea who Tamio Okuda is or what he has to do with Sakura Taisen V or record-groove/needle interaction.

Dark Age Iron Savior · Posts: 3148

You know, I don't know how anyone can be disappointed with the article, considering how it ends.

Lobst · Posts: 96

Man, after reading that it's difficult to remember what I was all worked up about. I could still probably write an essay about it, but I don't have the spark.

I am still kind of pissed at the SA moderators' attempts to write off their comedy vitriol as meaningless and irrelevant, though. "Come on; it's the Internet. Seriously, if people like US bother you, you should reexamine your priorities. Go outside-- get some fresh air!"

Oh. Okay, so let's say I'm a burgeoning writer who wants to make a living writing things on the Internet. A hundred thousand people just read your irrational pseudo-critique of something I wrote, and now they've used the selective information provided within your rant to form an opinion against my work -- a few of them even found my email address and flamed me about it. Now, given the nature of my situation, is this panning going to roll right off my back, or is it going to be like that scene in Ed Wood where Ed reads the newspaper review where the only good thing said about his play, which played to a nearly empty house, is in regard to the costume design? What if your article were an even-handed criticism of the flaws in my writing that treated its subject with courtesy? Would I then be more or less likely to give up on my dream?

Wait. I think I lost sight of the point.

Still, though; I'm angry! Arr!

FortNinety · Posts: 4591

I just finished reading the SA article (both parts), and I honestly don't see what the fuss is about. Not only is it not that bad, but it makes a few good points, especially about the Darwinia review.

Sync-Swim · Posts: 634

I Lol'ed at the picture that accompanied the mention of the Planetgamecube sacking. Also at reminding me of Derek Smart getting medieval on the Take 2 Coke machine- or just Derek Smart in general.

Derek Smart's DESKTOP COMMANDER!

Szczepaniak · Posts: 815

FortNinety wrote:

James wrote:

Deets wrote:

What's so awful about The Escapist again?

They had a big massive article lauding fatty prototype hoarders as some kind of cool underground network, and not in fact selfish, grasping butter children who should have their wares stolen and dumped.

And the layout is shit.

Oh paing Mr, Szczepaniak....

FortNinety? It's no biggie. The true ego-maniac loves attention whether it's good or bad. No wonder Tim says he never drinks, he's probably constantly high on the fact that he is the centre of everyone's thoughts.

I personally strongly disagree with James' opinion of said communities, but myeh, this is the internet. What can you do and who the hell cares?

Ratoslov · Posts: 252

Lobst wrote:

Oh. Okay, so let's say I'm a burgeoning writer who wants to make a living writing things on the Internet. A hundred thousand people just read your irrational pseudo-critique of something I wrote, and now they've used the selective information provided within your rant to form an opinion against my work -- a few of them even found my email address and flamed me about it. Now, given the nature of my situation, is this panning going to roll right off my back, or is it going to be like that scene in Ed Wood where Ed reads the newspaper review where the only good thing said about his play, which played to a nearly empty house, is in regard to the costume design? What if your article were an even-handed criticism of the flaws in my writing that treated its subject with courtesy? Would I then be more or less likely to give up on my dream?

They'd say you should give up on your dream, it's stupid. You should go outside and spend time in the 'real world'. Nobody ever prospered through the internet- but buy stuff from our associates and subscribe to the forums. Anyone who believes in anything is an idiot. They're evangelical nihilist sellouts, like so much American humor.

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

Szczepaniak wrote:

FortNinety wrote:

James wrote:

Deets wrote:

What's so awful about The Escapist again?

They had a big massive article lauding fatty prototype hoarders as some kind of cool underground network, and not in fact selfish, grasping butter children who should have their wares stolen and dumped.

And the layout is shit.

Oh paing Mr, Szczepaniak....

FortNinety? It's no biggie. The true ego-maniac loves attention whether it's good or bad. No wonder Tim says he never drinks, he's probably constantly high on the fact that he is the centre of everyone's thoughts.

I personally strongly disagree with James' opinion of said communities, but myeh, this is the internet. What can you do and who the hell cares?

James · Posts: 1735

Szczepaniak wrote:

I personally strongly disagree with James' opinion of said communities

Bitrot is awesome, especially when it happens to the only goddamned Marble Madness machine known to still exist. Prototypes are awesome, especially when they're allowed to rot on some Atari fatty's shelf.

PS I have a Bio Force Ape protoype and will trade it for a Sonic Xtreme Mega CD-R or 20 gallons of danish butter

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

the vinculum gate wrote:

Yeah, okay, what the fuck is that thing, anyway? It's all over 4Chan, and I really thought it was someone's horrible/brilliant photoshop and not a real thing.

Am I wrong?

the drunken samurai · Posts: 4645

DeusJester wrote:

the vinculum gate wrote:

Yeah, okay, what the fuck is that thing, anyway? It's all over 4Chan, and I really thought it was someone's horrible/brilliant photoshop and not a real thing.

Am I wrong?

its a butterface!

i dont know what the fuck that is really.

extralife · Posts: 3316

108 wrote:

huh?

does this mean i'm going to get lots of hits?

. . . do i know this guy?

He sure seems to know you! Though, uhhh, for knowing so much about you, he certainly...knows nothing about you!

Dark Age Iron Savior · Posts: 3148

DeusJester wrote:

the vinculum gate wrote:

Yeah, okay, what the fuck is that thing, anyway? It's all over 4Chan, and I really thought it was someone's horrible/brilliant photoshop and not a real thing.

Am I wrong?

oh jesus, 4chan got a hold of it? geez.

James · Posts: 1735

extralife · Posts: 3316

Szczepaniak wrote:

FortNinety wrote:

James wrote:

Deets wrote:

What's so awful about The Escapist again?

They had a big massive article lauding fatty prototype hoarders as some kind of cool underground network, and not in fact selfish, grasping butter children who should have their wares stolen and dumped.

And the layout is shit.

Oh paing Mr, Szczepaniak....

FortNinety? It's no biggie. The true ego-maniac loves attention whether it's good or bad. No wonder Tim says he never drinks, he's probably constantly high on the fact that he is the centre of everyone's thoughts.

I personally strongly disagree with James' opinion of said communities, but myeh, this is the internet. What can you do and who the hell cares?

I liked your article a good deal! Even though I do agree with the general sentement that those collector guys are fuckers.

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

extralife i invite you to eat communism

James · Posts: 1735

dark steve · Posts: 3002

That avatar is really freaking me the hell out.

James · Posts: 1735

Why does it say I can use HTML when I can't

the drunken samurai · Posts: 4645

Kriby:Golden Shower Ride!

FortNinety · Posts: 4591

Lobst wrote:

Oh. Okay, so let's say I'm a burgeoning writer who wants to make a living writing things on the Internet. A hundred thousand people just read your irrational pseudo-critique of something I wrote, and now they've used the selective information provided within your rant to form an opinion against my work -- a few of them even found my email address and flamed me about it. Now, given the nature of my situation, is this panning going to roll right off my back, or is it going to be like that scene in Ed Wood where Ed reads the newspaper review where the only good thing said about his play, which played to a nearly empty house, is in regard to the costume design? What if your article were an even-handed criticism of the flaws in my writing that treated its subject with courtesy? Would I then be more or less likely to give up on my dream?!

The key to be a success in anything creative is the ability to handle criticism. And miss-informed review or poor paraphrasing doesn't mean shit if the source material is sound. If something is good, no amount of slander will do anything. Fans, as a whole, are way too overprotective, and thus loose sight of this.

And all this proves is that people hold way too much faith in criticism. Personally, I find most of it annoying and even a bit offensive. There's still this underlying edge in almost all forms of critique of popular media today, but it seems most prevalent in video games. You can see it in both the author of the SA and even the ones he's ripping apart, and its this dire frustration from the author's inability to reconcile the fact that he or she cannot create and therefore must tear down. I guess it not exactly rocket science what I'm saying... I guess its also a matter of constructive criticism being almost non-existant these days.

Seriously, the pathway to reaching your goals is to honestly not giving a shit, and the key word here is honestly. Because as we all know, 99% of folks who say that they don't care, but they do, and 40% act the contrary to a pathetic degree.

Also, I wanna know more about this Bio Force Ape game.

Szczepaniak · Posts: 815

mmm, yes, I remember the buttery farce that ensued on DigiPress about Bioforce Ape. Eat communism mound of butter!

I don't know why, but the words "buttery farce" make me laugh terribly. Try saying it. Buttery Farce.

Anyway, to address James' comment about bitrot, rest assured they all have backups, multiple ones. Nothing is being lost.

OMG... Am I in a derailed thread here? Someone tell me, I need to know. Have we gone from talking about SA to butter in the space of... how many pages? Aghast!

EDIT:
To answer 4rt90 questions, Bioforce Ape is an unreleased NES game. SOme guy claimed to own it on Digipress. All hell breaks loose. Communism, butter, monkeys farting on-screen, then BOOM! The hammer comes down, and so many peoples' dreams are shattered into tiny pieces. There's like a 20 page topic on these events, on digi press.

Sub · Posts: 696

what are the origins of TWINKLE HOUSE then?

smartblue · Posts: 254

Oh man how did I miss the butter conversation?

I wonder why SA hasn't picked on Atari Fatties yet? We already did (sort of) in the Escapist's write up, which was awesome.

Also: this attempt to burn Tim Rogers was awkward to read. It's like the goonjocks are starting a food fight at the high school cafeteria by throwing their salsberry steaks and yeast rolls at the 108 table, and missing. There's nothing to constructivly speak about here. It's just amusement on both sides now and that's that.

Pat the Great · Posts: 122

James wrote:

Deets wrote:

What's so awful about The Escapist again?

They had a big massive article lauding fatty prototype hoarders as some kind of cool underground network, and not in fact selfish, grasping butter children who should have their wares stolen and dumped.

And the layout is shit.

wait, now i'm confused. i thought this was obvious friendly elbow-jabbing pointed at mr. szezezezezezezezescepaniak. it wasn't? my word.

smartblue · Posts: 254

I found out that Szczepaniak wrote it when Vinculum told me. I would have said he wrote it in my previous post except that I can't spell his name and I was too lazy to copy and paste it.

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

cog · Posts: 108

the most interesting part of SA is the weekend web.

which they don't write for the most part.

ManekiNeko · Posts: 989

I've seen other quality sites listed on SA's Bad Site of the Day column. They can't possibly be running out of terrible sites to review, so the only conclusion one can come to is that they're mindlessly lashing out against random web pages in the hopes of eliciting laughter from their knuckle-dragging target audience.

Something Awful is just that. It's no different from any of the other cyber-bully sites on the Internet, though... when you've seen one, you've seen them all, and their repetitive, mean-spirited schtick grows old quickly.

JR

softlogic · Posts: 140

I think a lot of people miss the point that SA's hypocrisy is quite self-concsious...it's a website devoted to making fun of pretentious nerds, run by pretentious nerds. That in itself is meant to be funny (It isn't but that's the idea). It's really all self-deprecation. When they say things like "it shouldn't bother you, go outside," they're not only right, but its sort of like they're trying to convince themselves of it as well.

That being said, the site was a lot funnier when it made fun of things that truly were awful/incomprehensible. Now they just seem to pick random targets and come across like they hate everything life has to offer.

dark steve · Posts: 3002

Man. That photo.

doomquake · Posts: 765

The only things left on SA that I read are Weekend Web, and anything Dennis Farrell writes. If Dennis ever leaves SA.. I most likely will too.

Dark Age Iron Savior · Posts: 3148

ManekiNeko wrote:

Something Awful is just that.

well!

sethsez · Posts: 1977

Something Awful can be summed up by Your Band Sucks, an article that tears down popular (and unpopular) bands and insults the hell out of them.

But you know what? The writer likes most of the bands he insults. He tore the shit out of They Might Be Giants, but said in a post that the best aspect of writing that article was going back and listening to all his favorite TMBG albums.

Why do you think they review awful movies and pretend it was painful? It's clear that they really love watching these wretched things.

So, yeah, I'm in with the "you're taking SA too seriously" crowd. They probably don't really like Tim's writing, but I also doubt that any of the vitriol in the article was serious. And for people saying "well, that's what you do when you can't create," I guess you haven't noticed how successful SA is. That's... not really valid in any particular way. There are plenty of complaints that can be leveled against SA (I find the humor rather bland lately), but "failing to create something" isn't one.

James · Posts: 1735

ManekiNeko wrote:

Something Awful is just that. It's no different from any of the other cyber-bully sites on the Internet, though... when you've seen one, you've seen them all, and their repetitive, mean-spirited schtick grows old quickly.

JR

STOP SAYING CYBER BULLIES

JESUS

Do you really feel like MEAN FOLKS on the internet have the power to affect your life?

Sub · Posts: 696

It's kind of like an audience member standing up and leaving during a roast.

EDIT: I HAD IT WRONG