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Mr. Mechanical

Posts: 1890

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: Fuck all of you wannabe-non-intellectualist motherfuckers.

I'm am hopped up on Easter candy sugar (Praise Jesus!) and just ate two turkey and swiss sandwiches with a ton of ketchup and I'm feeling pretty goddam high and mighty right now, so I just wanted to drop in make some broad, overarching, navel-gazing comments on the "state of the forum" or whatever else type bullshit that used to get people all riled up from way back when. I am pissed and hopefully by the time this post is over with I will have finished the remaining four Natural Lights that are still in my fridge from a month or two ago when I was out drinking one night. I advise that if you want to really play along then you'll drink four beers over the course of reading this topic, starting one paragraph ago. GO! When did smart people stop making smart posts about smart things around here, I ask you. I'll tell you when. When sounding smart became a social stigma by those goddam knuckledraggers called internet videogame fanboys. Those god damn pricks that accuse this board of sounding elitist and pretentious just because the average poster tends to have more than a monosyllabic vocabulary and doesn't feel the importence of describing things on a god damn scale of 1 to 10. That's one down, three to go. Damn, this beer tastes like shit. The intellectualists among us would say that we've simply hit a wall, that this stagnation in discussion is simply the result of a group of like-minded individuals who have increasingly littler and littler to say to each other over matters as narrow and defined as videogames. I say fuck that, it's just a matter of needing some new blood to bring in some new ideas. Yet repeatedly whenever we see this starting to happen it is immediately dismissed by the general populace as psuedo-intellectualism, or more popularly "wankery". The new blood brings some new ideas but the old guard can't be bothered to bring them up to date on anything that has been previously discussed before so most new discussions become fucking phantoms of discussions we've already had, and on top of that barrier comes the goddam Joe Public who can't stand big words and deep sounding ideas about something as stupid and puerile as a videogame who tell the new people to stop wanking all over themselves in public. So new blood holds off and lurks some more to see how things run around here because apparently this isn't the same smart sounding board they heard about last year and we all die inside just a little bit more as threads deteriorate into "Which is the better game: God of War or Devil May Cry 3 OMG". There's nothing wrong with discussing the merits of one game compared to how it stacks up to another, but for fuck's sake people, stop trying to convince everyone else that your view is right and theirs is somehow inherently wrong. This isn't the god damn debate club. You're not trying to win that fucking little plaque with your name on it. That little plaque was lame anyway, and so were you if you felt proud of yourself for winning it. Then again you're looking at a self described under-achiever, and like Bart Simpson, proud of it. Two down, two to go. Are you assholes keeping up? Now, I was content to bask in my own mediocrity until I stumbled onto this site and these forums two years ago. It was like, here were a few smart guys doing something different. I could dig it, and dig it I did. I started regretting that I hadn't paid more attention in class, coasting on that C average when I could have just as easily shot for the B or even the highly regarded A. Reading Insert Credit made me realize that I did not challenge myself enough. That's an important sentence so I'll say it again. Reading Insert Credit made me realize that I did not challenge myself enough. The forums engaged me on a level that I had never been engaged before. There was casual, witty banter with a distinct flavor of humor that could only best be described as worldly because people from all over the fucking planet were talking about their hobby and the things that interested them. And when the smart sounding talk started up I didn't discount it and say to myself "I wish these fucking cockmasters would just keep their dicks out of my hobby.", hell no, I started making the conscious effort to understand just what the hell everyone was talking about and you know what? It wasn't that hard to do. It was pretty damn easy to figure who actually had stuff to say and who was just talking to hear themselves talk. And I WAS A C AVERAGE STUDENT GOD DAMN IT. Three down, one to go. The beer doesn't taste as bad now, I kind of want some more even. Things are starting to feel like that Beatles song, words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup... etc., so it's time for us to discuss the current pariah of forums.insertcredit.com. Namely, that dude known as Guardian. Now, Guardian is a good guy, but he showed up right at the tail end of our little intellectual period where the forums were descending into their own dark ages. He tried, and he still does, but there's always the overarching feeling that he was just one of those guys that "didn't get it". Nowadays when he has something interesting to say that he's been thinking over (or overthinking, durhur) he makes a post and one out of ten people actually respond to it. Not because his ideas are actually that hard to understand, but because one out of ten people actually had the patience to read what he wrote, think it over, and respond in kind. That's just god damned shameful for something that calls itself a "forum", and especially one with a reputation for being as "smart" as the drooling, pale faced internet legions have decided. I get this feeling lately that people are afraid to make smart posts because they don't want to be labeled a cockmaster by these immature stigmas put forth by the legion of fourteen year old adolescents who feel threatened by anyone who went to college for more than a semester. Which leads me right into my next broad, overarching conclusion about people in general, that being: Most people on the internet are immature adolescents with inferioty complexes. That's the only reason I can think of to explain why they have such a hardon for distancing themselves from the "pretentious wankers" of the internet. Keep in mind I didn't think about it a whole lot, just enough to be able to confidently throw in the term "inferiority complex". Damn it, the beer is gone. But I drank a small bottle of Tequila, the kind that costs $2.34 and you find in minibars in hotel rooms. Two shots worth, at most, just to keep things rolling because I honestly can not post this shit sober. Let's talk about pretenses. Most people that accuse other people of being pretentious don't actually know what the word pretentious means, other than something they surely don't agree with, therefore they are letting their own pretenses cloud their otherwise fine astute judgement of people on the internet. Most people probably think someone like Guardian is pretentious, and they'd be right to a degree, just that Guardian has heart. Motherfucker believes in what he is writing, and he wants to work it through to something that might come out the other side as possibly realistic. Like many, he is unhappy with the modern state of self induced stagnation leading to a psychosis of the industry, and he's doing his part, however small and minute, to change things for the better or whatever. I can appreciate that. A man with a mission is more respectable than a man who is just content to sit on the shores of life and exist rather than braving the storm and all that other nonsense people like Hunter S. Thompson wrote about once. Part of me wishes I could care enough about all this as much as Guardian does because this morning, while heavily sleep deprived, I had what could best be described as a "Guardian Moment". I was watching the Aeon Flux DVD, the one with the shorts and all ten episodes of the original show that first appeared on MTV during the Liquid Television days. The show that made me want to stay up late enough just so I could catch the next weird installment direct from the mind of Peter Chung. I was watching it and thinking "Damn, it sucks that the only reason this DVD set actually happened was becuase of that shitty movie." and I got to thinking about that shitty game that accompanied it and I got depressed. I got depressed because I could think of a totally more original idea for an Aeon Flux game. I was working out basic game mechanics in my mind, and I even went so far as to think "Damn, if I just had the license to make this it would blow some fucking minds." Then I caught myself because I started sounding familiar to myself. And sounding familiar to yourself when you're heavily sleep deprived can be a scary, enlightening thing. I realized I didn't care enough about videogame, the industry, or whatever to actually go through with my ideas. I know they will never happen, unless somehow miraculously I get a contract to design a game based off a popular license. I did not care to put in the effort to see my vision to fruition because I realized Aeon Flux was not my vision, but Peter Chungs, and to put my two cents in would ultimately pervert whatever he originally had going for the characters. But none of this matters because it is neither here nor there. What matters is ultimately the fate of Post of the Week. Note: I am kind of drunk at this point, just enough to start feeling it. Drank another minibar hotel bottle of tequila, only this one was rose flavored and I didn't taste the alcohol in it very much though it was still very good mixed with Dr. Pepper. If I were Rudie I would get off my ass, pull out the White Stripes blaring earbuds out of my ears, and whip that god damned post of the week topic into shape. It is the only salvation of the forums as far as I can see it. It encourages lengthy posts. Rants, dissertations on whatever, it doesn't matter, as long as it's from the fucking heart and honest with itself then it is Post of the Week material to me. A good post of the week encourages discussion on whatever it happens to be about, and that is what we should be rewarding on these boards. Not stupid, yet however witty, one line responses to already existing conversations. It has that potential to be something totally awesome for the forums and we're just sitting on it not acting like usual. I am demanding action, Insert Credit Forums. I demand that you challenge yourselves more. Make yourselves better people through your posting habits. Now, I love you all like I love my own sperm. Yet how many aderacks, Toups', winkers, legal steps, general shermans, drunken samurais, DAIS', etc. have I flushed down the toilet after a night of shameful debauchery? If I were lord and emperor of the world it would be illegal to flush your sperm soaked Kleenex down the toilet because wasn't it once said that it is better to put your seed in the belly of a whore than it was to spill it on the ground? Well, obviously whoever said that wasn't taking into account how costly a whore can be but whatever, the point still stands. Reading the forums today make me think of a conversation I had in a bar a few weeks ago with a man by the name of Paul Queen. I came up and sat down next to me at the bar while Nirvana's Rape Me was blaring over the speakers. He told me the music was just vulgar and asked if I agreed. My first mental response was "Fuck this drunk asshole." but I humored him because he was nice enough to sit down and start talking to me so I said "Well, the dude blew his brains out. He was depressed. He was a fucking herion junkie. Vulgar is the least of what you could say about his music." Pual Queen nodded his head and agreed for a moment before saying, "Well, it's still vulgar!" God damn drunk asshole, I love that guy. I have to stop. It is growing dim. I love you all, photosynthetic apes you may be, and if things are just fine for you then I am happy for you and envious at the same time. However yours is a world I no longer belong to, and I must bid you good day. The alcohol well is dried, the cigarrettes are running short, the words have lost all sense of meaning. Good bye, Insert Credit. Good bye, good night, and good luck.

LW Joestar

Posts: 1358

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject:

Sup I am hopped up on benzoprine

the drunken samurai

Posts: 4645

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject:

oh fuck,i aint reading all this

BalbanesBeoulve

Posts: 2126

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject:

I also haven't read this, yet feel i must reply. Hi thread.

jiji

Posts: 780

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject:

posting in a drama thread

Dark Age Iron Savior

Posts: 3148

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject:

I, I'm going to have to take a rain check on any conceptual personal universe modifications when the Voice of Change has compared me to semen.

Mr. Mechanical

Posts: 1890

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject:

This is not a drama thread. It only appears that way. It's really a drunk thread in disguise. DAIS, you must understand that I love my semen dearly, like children of my own almost.

Wilkes

Posts: 1603

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject:

I often think this forum would be better without the axe. Pretty often. I'd like to think I'm part of the "new blood" though, maybe I've not the patience with the AXE offering all the instant gratification it offers. Maybe what you're talking about is disciplining myself against hanging out in the axe all the time. Lots of people. Anyway, my ex just called me drunk; sorry I can't say more.

dark steve

Posts: 3002

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject:

Reading Insert Credit made me realize that I did not challenge myself enough. Mr. Mech, you are a good man.

Mr. Mechanical

Posts: 1890

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject:

The Axe serves a very vital function, though it shouldn't be the only reason people come here anymore. I've often found myself coming here lately just to see what the Axe is up to. As opposed to why I used to come here, which was to check up on a thread that was highly interesting and engaging from an intellectual standpoint. Brain Sex, is what I almost called it in my post up there.

Captain EO

Posts: 371

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject:

Did you think people could keep on making 1,000 word "Metroid 2 makes me lonely" posts forever? THIS IS THE DYNASTY OF AXE. Mr Mechaniacal, nothing but a revolutionary vanguard of gamest intellectualism shall overthrow the malaise that holds the forums in its tsarist grips. What is to be done?

seryogin

Posts: 17

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject:

As a lurker with two years of constant forum reading behind me, I fully support Mr. Mech!

Mr. Business

Posts: 1530

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject:

Mr. Mechanical wrote: DAIS, you must understand that I love my semen dearly, like children of my own almost. Does that mean that you kiss it? Also, I read that whole thing. It was amusing to watch you get progressively (regressively?) more drunk as the post went on. However, I'll try to pull out a good thread sometime in the future. I have a few ideas for some potentially thought provoking topics.

Pijaibros

Posts: 968

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject:

Didn't the Axe used to be a place where the chaff was seperated from the wheat? It really wasn't much of a hangout until after that server crash. The problem was that everyone was kind of worn out of what was spoken of in the last iteration of the forums. People spoke of Sega CD, PC Engine, Saturn, and all sorts of odds and ends that I had missed throughout the years to no end. It was a great source of reference material for even better things to expand on. The MAME thread was legendary and was probably in the top 5 reasons I wanted to upgrade my system in the future. With the new iteration of the forum everyone seems a bit tired of discussing those points again since it would involve having to dig up and repost all sorts of stuff that was already debated before. Heck, half of the "blue blood" didn't even come back. People have also been getting progressively more busy with real life in general. Not everyone is in college anymore where we could experiment all day. Now we're trying to make ends meet and solve other crises. Shit, I have a hell of a backlog that I wish to go through eventually that I'm sure will be able to have a few things worth mentioning. It also doesn't help things that modern gaming is now more commercialized than ever. There are no boundaries being expanded, no new avenues being paved, things have sort of stagnated these past few years. Maybe this coming generation of systems will set our minds a flutter with brand new ideas to explore. Until then Real Bout will be a much more slower gratification than the instant happiness that the Axe and General Forum brings. We just have to dig a little deeper to find some good crude to use. Then again I'm pretty damn "new" around here, what do I know.

finnagain

Posts: 181

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:13 am Post subject:

I enjoyed reading this post quite a bit. I disagree a little bit about the premise of the argument, though. Well, that isn't true - I counted a myriad of arguments and lamentations brought forth in that torrential outpouring - but one theme, in fact the theme that's accented right in the title - I'm not sure about. Are there less long, thoughtful posts because there's an anti-intellectual backlash at work? Are Guardian's topics less traveled because forum-goers are fundamentally annoyed by perspicacious, clever writing? I don't think that's the problem - this is pretty much the forum for perspicacious, clever writing about videogames. I don't even sense that there's antipathy towards the posters who think deeply about their hobby. There aren't many threads that descend into name-calling and infantile, "yur stoopid Treasure suxorz, gunstar heros was the worst game i ever played!!!!!!!" nonsense here. There's some decorum and social propriety here. It's the only videogame forum I actually learn anything. It's the only videogame forum where accuracy legitimately matters, where rumors and heresy don't overwhelm facts, where discussion and debate is encouraged and mindless flame wars are kept to a minimum. I don't think there's any active anti-intellectualism on the IC forums. In fact, it might be the opposite. There are only so many hours in the day, after all; engaging the insert credit forums takes a fair bit more effort than many other forums, and almost all other videogame forums. And the longest, most thoughtful posts require long, thoughtful replies. Also, there is a steak of elitism here. Well, elitism a negative connotation than what I'm going for - let's call it something less stuck-up. There's intelligence, insight, and sprit here without too much highbrow snottiness. It's a high criterion for new blood to measure up to. If anything, newer posters are afraid, not of being attacked for sounding too smart, but for not sounding smart enough. Or, um, it could just be me. I don't want to make posts that just parrot one opinion and add nothing to the discussion, and I imagine other people feel that way, too. Why say anything, if you've got nothing to add? That's why the axe gets more traffic; the topics are the sorts of topics that can't be added to, or subtracted from. They just... are. And they're usually funny or a little bit insightful. Some axe topics start out as non sequiturs and evolve into something "better." I wouldn't have learned that members who later founded Treasure worked on an NES game with the "Bucky O'Hare" cartoon series license if it weren't for the axe, for example. So: it's not anti-intelleculism, which presupposes antipathy for intelligence. It's either burnout, or maybe laziness. About the drunk guy who found "Rape Me" vulgar: I don't think he's wrong so much as I think he's confusing the song's content with it's aesthetic value. I mean, the song isn't sophisticated or refined, and the lyrics purposefully elicit discomfort, especially since it is (was) a radio single. Of course, it's coarseness was, in a sense, refined: Steve Albini did the best he could to polish back some rough edges into Nirvana's sound. And, if we go way back in terms of vulgarities definition, he was without question correct: Nirvana were a hugely popular band, and their songs are universally known - if not though Nirvana themselves, then though the many, many popular bands that ripped them off. "But Nirvana ripped off the Pixies!" you say - with some merit. But the Pixies were never as hugely popular as Nirvana. I doubt that mongoloid lead singer in Nickelback can even SPELL "pixie," but he sure can copy Nirvana songs for fun and profit, in addition to looking like a jerkwad. Man, is he ever good at looking like a jerkwad.

Intentionally Wrong

Posts: 673

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:25 am Post subject:

Pijaibros wrote: With the new iteration of the forum everyone seems a bit tired of discussing those points again since it would involve having to dig up and repost all sorts of stuff that was already debated before. Heck, half of the "blue blood" didn't even come back. People have also been getting progressively more busy with real life in general. Not everyone is in college anymore where we could experiment all day. Now we're trying to make ends meet and solve other crises. Shit, I have a hell of a backlog that I wish to go through eventually that I'm sure will be able to have a few things worth mentioning. We have a winner! I agree in spirit, Mr. Mechanical. In practice, I don't have the patience for that much text. That's a little bit of a lie, since I just finished Stephenson's "Baroque Cycle"; what I mean is that I lack the patience for a forum message of that length when the primary ingredients are vitriol and alcohol. Pijaibros is right, though. I was willing to devote a lot more of my time to the boards before the wipe. A lot of people were providing a lot of ideas that really appealed to me; I valued the boards as a knowledge base. I was more willing to invest the time and energy because it was something I planned to come back to, over and over, whenever I wanted to figure out the right way to approach a problem in implementing or criticizing a videogame. One of the problems here is that insert credit makes enemies. The most visible contributors and the most revered individuals are united in the strength of their assholery. I even notice myself acting that way, with considerable frequency; in person, I'm one of the least rude individuals you will meet. (At first, I loved that about myself; then I hated it. Now I just don't think about it.) The downside of notoriety is that occasionally some young fucker with a script he downloaded somewhere will come along and find a way to serve up some hatred of his own. Maybe a disgruntled peer will turn up and try to drive every discussion into the ground. Maybe conversations will drown beneath a sea of "hi tim" and "toups post" and "in before AXE". For me, IC feels like an idealogical battlefield. Battlefields and academia don't mesh that well. I hope you'll forgive me for attempting to foster scholarship elsewhere.

Mr. Mechanical

Posts: 1890

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:53 am Post subject:

I do not fault you, IW. I commend you for giving up the ghost and moving on with your life. Myself, well. Originally I made this topic as a sort of farewell to arms. I was going to just leave all this and be done with it and never bother with it again, but I couldn't. It's like there's always just the right amount of ingredients in the recipe, but only once in a blue moon does someone actually leave it in the oven long enough to let it rise. Or, in this case more currently, all the chefs have done up and left the buliding. Right now, I guess the yeast is doing its thing. We're just waiting until the time is right to turn the oven back on again. There are some good posts here, guys, thanks. I thank anyone who took the time to read and consider my ramblings. edit-tds, yeah fuck you too kiddo. Why don't you go walk through a few more drive thrus or something.

Toto

Posts: 498

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:29 am Post subject:

So basically, TDS proved you ultimately right, Mr. Mechanical? And that's really fucked up. I came here for the same reason everyone else did; discussion of video games. Not just a blind re-hash of what IGN said in their reviews, their godawful psuedo-analysis which ultmiately comes down to, "Well Odama is a good idea; but the graphics are terrible." I thought Insert Credit was different; and so it is. But everyone seems to have run out of steam. Young blood is scared off by the very "established" nature of IC; who is this Toups, or Aderack, or even this Winkerwanker? Why do they carve into people? It's like it's a community where new people are not welcome; hell, you encourage people to lurk (I never lurked; and there were a few threads where I was just completely shut the fuck down). Even though everyone condones trying new things and experimentalism in games, they are unwilling to do so with the forum. I agree Mr. Mechanical.

Psiga

Posts: 3990

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:47 am Post subject:

Intentionally Wrong wrote: In practice, I don't have the patience for that much text. That's a little bit of a lie, since I just finished Stephenson's "Baroque Cycle"; what I mean is that I lack the patience for a forum message of that length when the primary ingredients are vitriol and alcohol. Is that not the fuel for many a great author? Intentionally Wrong wrote: Pijaibros is right, though. I was willing to devote a lot more of my time to the boards before the wipe. A lot of people were providing a lot of ideas that really appealed to me; I valued the boards as a knowledge base. The place was going stagnant just before the wipe. Whether it was due to the rebellion of the DPS crew or what, I cannot say for certain. Intentionally Wrong wrote: Maybe a disgruntled peer will turn up and try to drive every discussion into the ground. Maybe conversations will drown beneath a sea of "hi tim" and "toups post" and "in before AXE". That's how it went in the last iteration as well. Intentionally Wrong wrote: For me, IC feels like an idealogical battlefield. Battlefields and academia don't mesh that well. I hope you'll forgive me for attempting to foster scholarship elsewhere. Where else do you foster it? Where can you go to talk about this stuff without either blank stares or a flame war? Mr. Mech: When I sat down to read the whole thing, I liked every bit of that. You're vastly more coherent when drunk than our boy Freeman. Toto: I honestly do want to blame the Axe a bit for us having 'run out of steam'. We blow off a lot of our steam just building sand castles in the litter box now. I miss the days when I would spew out technical info on stereoscopic displays and user interfacing; I'm just not seeing an opening for it right now.

Wilkes

Posts: 1603

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:50 am Post subject:

There's a lot to be said about the seeming elitism of ic. And the fact it's been so established. I mean - tim rogers, amirite? I often find myself wishing I'd discovered this place years ago, if only to have a better idea of how the forum has changed. Really, what Mr. Mech is talking about seems to be Malaise. There isn't enough participation in stimulating discussion, that's true; there also aren't any front page updates, outside of news. More people (myself included, damn yeah) need to start writing significant-sounding things. Things that you give a shit about and want to write 2000+ words about. All the guys who used to do that stuff on here are, uh, getting PAID to do it now. Where is the new blood there? Afraid to live up to the stuff of legends? Mostly, probably. Cowards? Maybe! We'll get out of this thing what we put in. More stuff goes on the front - more stuff gets said in the forum. This is an important time is a serious way, sort-of. There are things to be said that won't be said elsewhere. The Gamer's Quarter is great, no question, yet are people going to forget about insert credit? Is it too prestegious? Bah! It's just like anywhere else. Get up and write something. I don't think I'd feel very comfortable here had I not wrote something. Or, at least, tried. It's important.

TOLLMASTER

Posts: 1977

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:02 am Post subject:

On my LiveJournal list, there are only two people that I really think are on a higher level than me, and one of them is our dear friend Mr. Mech. Everyone else can be smarter than me in one area, but they are deficient in one area, but these two people just bring down the hammer whenever they start thinking. I'm not really a complicated thinker. I hate most philosophy despite being in love with the actual concept. Most of it is searching in texts for words that sound like they mean different things, then composing a new text about how these words, used in the same previous text, makes the previous text "wrong." The process then continues with the new text. I had the same thoughts as Mr. Mech did a few months ago, a little bit after the Icy incident. I tried to leave, but there's no where else to really go. DPS and TGQ post too slowly for me. And have you seen the rest of the internet lately? We usually bring up that there GAF as an example of a terrible messageboard, but they're practically living in an ivory tower compared to most forums. Like it or not, Insert Credit is the place to be. Forum Axe was an idea I had conceived to get people to stop thinking about their posts and just post. Yes, this means that most threads are going to be about Zombie Jesus or the Japanese's sex habits. But once you remove the layer of people trying to impress each other, you're going to start getting newer ideas floating around. And people will actually start talking to one another. I mean, when DAIS started posting, I thought of him in the same way as you did Guardian Final. But the guy has run the gauntlet and I have to say he's one of the people I genuinely like. He doesn't post weird ideas just to look different or smarter than anyone else, he does it because that's what he was thinking. I sent one guy in particular, I won't say who it was, a pm that basically said "post more." Keep in mind that I hate this guy's ideas. But when he posts he isn't trying to carve his thoughts into some ground-breaking new theory, he just has some idea that he wants to share. But he feels like he doesn't belong on the board, and I felt as one of the top 28 posters that if I sent the guy a PM, he might be more apt to get involved in the game. I think you should stay around, Mr. Mech. I'm not going to say to you that it's perfect, or even not aggravating, but IC is a good deal better off than...pretty much everything else. When I was first introduced to the Internet, it was a lot different than what we have today. Most of the people online were part of a single community. A regular was more willing to help out a newbie, and the newbies were far more likely to listen than to post "fuck you stfu and die." Nowadays the whole Internet is one giant flamewar, one group against another. The old guard are so afraid of the encrouching newbies that they reject anyone outside of their inner circle, and 90% of the new blood are preteens with power issues who annoy people on the internet to make up for the fact that they're bullied in real life. Insert Credit reminds me the least of this problem. I would love to just move to TGQ and DPS but it always feels like some element is missing.

Mister Toups

Posts: 4943

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:09 am Post subject:

I stopped making long posts out of fear of being associated with guardian

TOLLMASTER

Posts: 1977

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:16 am Post subject:

Mister Toups wrote: I stopped making long posts out of fear of being associated with guardian what about your fans :-(

boojiboy7

Posts: 1104

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:04 am Post subject:

OK, I am obviously new blood, but I am going to throw in my opinions here, and whatever comes of it, which may be nothing at all, well..so be it. As part of the eternal DMC3 GOW war, I am getting out of it. As I have been posting in the Genji turned GOW thread, I have been consciously trying to address my problems with GOW specifically as GOW's failings, and thus not in comparison to DMC3, a game I admit to an almost fanboyish love for. In fact, I will not talk about DMC3 anymore, just because I know I come off as a fanboy about it, and while I don't think I am, I don't like sounding like that. I do think maybe the frontpage is where some of the problems lie. Not that the frontpage is bad, but I have seen (and I did lurk on the pre-server crash boards a bit and this was true then as well) that when someone writes something ANYTHING discussion follows. Some of it goes into the actual writing process, others into discussing about what the article is about, but any way you look at it, the discussion happens. To whomever suggested that we write more actual articles or whatever ( I did read your post, but the thread is wordy enough that I don't want to scour for who exactly it was that said it), I fully second this idea, and propose that we should move forward on it. Someone give me a topic to write on, though, as I am terrible at picking things on my own. Aside from this, I do think there is some good stuff going on on this board. Specific games get disected on a regular basis. I think the tone has shifted some, and there is certainly a more open focus on newer materials, but there is still a good consciousness of the past, and I know I personally have found some lost games that I never would have played without this board. The Top 100 should never have been allowed to disappear, and I say this without regards to my own contributions. As I was thinking about the paragraph before that last, and the idea of getting the board writing more made me think that maybe we should pick a game, a big game, a game widely loved on this board and maybe in other places, and get a bunch of people to write about it. I was thinking fo the thread about fear from last week, and people discussing their various views on the terror inspired or not in them by RE4. RE4 would make a great game for this, as a lot of people love it, but in completely different ways. It's a thought at least. I don't know if this went anywhere at all.

the vinculum gate

Posts: 2868

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:24 am Post subject:

guys just post on the TGQ forums or something i hear they talk about serious videogaming there

Pat the Great

Posts: 122

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:40 am Post subject:

i think. ... in particular, i think that the ic forums are always walking a fine line between too-pretentious and too-vulgar forum gibberish. the way i see it, the balance is dictated by how seriously ic feels like taking itself. right now it it swings closer to the vulgar end. this is a bad thing when it shuts down decent discussion topics, but i think it can be a good thing (i was glad that ic didn't feel like writing anyone's papers, for example. that would just be too much for me). i also don't mind reading guardian's posts every now and then, but only when i'm in the Guardian Post Mood (lights dim, earth wind and fire on iTunes, etc.), and this is largely due to the fact that i'm tired of reading attempts to make grand sweeping generalizations of video-game anything. it smacks too much of this grandiose, all-caps NGJ existential angst that lingers around any thread where games and art are mentioned. i'm here more because i like the almost-absurd degrees with which some posters can focus on the particular devices that certain video games (and certain moments within those video games) employ to further their narrative experiences. Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan! has been my favorite game for the past few weeks, largely because of the Over the Distance level, and how they change a few previously established in-game conventions to communicate a wholly different mood. if any of you have ever read anything i've written (and i believe some of you had, i think someone on the ic forums called one of my articles 'embarrassing') they tend to be along fairly similar lines, focusing on individuals and individual games and individual moments. for reference, the only other forums i frequent are the Shoryuken.com forums, which I view as the polar opposite of ic (and no less interesting for it), and thefighting44s.com, which is all about race, not games. i like it here.

FortNinety

Posts: 4591

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:04 am Post subject:

Not to be a douchebag, but as its been said already, if you don't like a particular place, then stop posting there. Period. Trying to make some grand "what has come of this place?" statement just comes off as, you know, inane. Its about as bad as saying "I just don't care about video games anymore" on a video game message board. What does one expect in response? I think secretly, to be hoisted onto everyone's should and paraded around, or an equivalent of. I for one really dig the current state of affairs around here, because its nicely tuned. Yeah, there was some great talk back then... just as there is right now. I think nostalgia is what fuels all the complaints, and the constant need to "go back" is never healthy, no matter what the setting. Also, I recall a lot of bullshit back then as well, such as all the obsession with post numbers ("my 1,000 post topic", "my 2,000 post topic", "my 2,001 post topic" etc) and in-jokes that were really out of hand/annoying (like every topic having a STFU TOUPS for no goddamn reason). This place, and the people involved, are far less in love with themselves, and that's a very good thing.

Psiga

Posts: 3990

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:11 am Post subject:

I was going to say that I don't think nostalgia fuels all of the complaints, since my complaints aren't due so much to nostalgia. ...but I don't think that I've been very vocal in my complaints, so there we are.

the drunken samurai

Posts: 4645

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:29 am Post subject:

Toto wrote: So basically, TDS proved you ultimately right, Mr. Mechanical? And that's really fucked up. what

Pijaibros

Posts: 968

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:53 am Post subject:

Despite some of the complaints being laid out, I like it here. There's a certain chemistry that keeps me coming back time after time throughout the day. It's not IGN. It's not GameFAQs. It's not Ludology. Thank the fucking Viking Gods! It's Insert Credit. Even with some of the wankery that goes on around here from time to time it has a nice feel to it, like a tuned instrument. There is still a sort of community here. When discussion occurs it never feels too over the top, anyone can join in and say something even if it is sometimes bull. It does help foster more onto a usually interesting area or point.

Hot Stott Bot

Posts: 2097

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:55 am Post subject:

the drunken samurai wrote: oh fuck,i aint reading all this Did you actually read all of it and make an ironic comment, or are you actually just not reading all of it?

the drunken samurai

Posts: 4645

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:57 am Post subject:

Hot Stott Bot wrote: the drunken samurai wrote: oh fuck,i aint reading all this Did you actually read all of it and make an ironic comment, or are you actually just not reading all of it? im just not reading it. shit,i said that last night though,and i was tired.so i might actually go back and read it all. maybe

nocturnedelight

Posts: 430

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:13 am Post subject:

I wanted to post many different things, but whenever I type something up, I delete it. Instead, I'm going to post a "worthless" entry. (P.S.) [this entry is oh-so secretly deep]

the vinculum gate

Posts: 2868

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:27 am Post subject:

i blame myself for the current state of IC what did IC back in the day not have? the vinculum gate what does IC now have in spades? the vinculum gate you guys owe so much to me :)

duckroll

Posts: 26

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:31 am Post subject:

Can't be bothered to read all that but felt the need to post to further the agenda of spreading my lovely avatar to more threads.

Hot Stott Bot

Posts: 2097

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:31 am Post subject:

It is a lovely avatar.

Sync-Swim

Posts: 634

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:47 am Post subject:

/r/ Mr. Mechanical pix Also, i'd recommend giving #insertcredit a test drive. It's definitely bizarro-world- it's IC in the same way Austin is part of Texas, or Hongkong is part of China. #IC is definitely a freeport of sorts with lots of stuff(!) flying around that you'd never, ever see being stated in the IC forums. Granted, it's only fair to tell you this has also lead to a lot of oldhand "regulars" declaring the room Too Stupid and moving on. #IC is Nouveau IC at its most unbridled. That should pretty much be assumed of any group of people irresponsible/unimpeded enough to visit an IRC room on a regular basis. Imagine the Axe without pauses in reply or the artificial boundaries of discussion topics or threads. It's also Insert Credit omake. You get a whole handful of Secret IC characters like donut, eTombotron, somari, duckroll, leftoverfiller, and Pezon- though he only makes cameos now :( . Oh and Mokhir's there too. Sometimes even Sklathill says something.

the vinculum gate

Posts: 2868

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:49 am Post subject:

every now and then i enter #ic and yell about people not playing metal gear online

Sawtooth

Posts: 2350

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:57 am Post subject:

the vinculum gate wrote: guys just post on the TGQ forums or something i hear they talk about serious videogaming there

Hot Stott Bot

Posts: 2097

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:02 am Post subject:

Sawtooth wrote: the vinculum gate wrote: guys just post on the TGQ forums or something i hear they talk about serious videogaming there Too serious for my tastes!

Wilkes

Posts: 1603

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:06 am Post subject:

Hot Stott Bot wrote: Sawtooth wrote: the vinculum gate wrote: guys just post on the TGQ forums or something i hear they talk about serious videogaming there Too serious for my tastes! It has a different flavor. Maybe it's just the background or something, I mean, I've been posting there a lot more lately. Still, it doesn't attract the same people as ic. I don't see aderack there. I don't see tim. I don't see DAIS or winker. It's not about going somewhere else; there's always somewhere else to go. It's about here.

shnozlak

Posts: 704

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:56 am Post subject:

nocturnedelight wrote: I wanted to post many different things, but whenever I type something up, I delete it. Instead, I'm going to post a "worthless" entry. (P.S.) [this entry is oh-so secretly deep] I delete 20 posts for every one I dont. . . . I almost deleted this one too.

winkerwanker

Posts: 2414

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:58 am Post subject:

I blame myself for all this.

Diplocephalus

Posts: 863

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:02 am Post subject:

winkerwanker wrote: I blame myself for all this. On the contrary! I'm to blame!

Rud13

Posts: 3277

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject:

I'll read your thread when I get the time Mr. Mechanical. I have a feeling you say things that need to be said.

Psiga

Posts: 3990

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject:

He does.

Maztorre

Posts: 1175

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject:

Come to #insertcredit where your wildest dreams will come true. Why, just today I put together a custom soundtrack for Outrun2006 with the assistance of the lovely Francis. Sync-Swim pretty much hit the nail on the head about #ic being IC Omake. I'm going to give aderack an erection by dubbing IC "King of Fighters" and #ic "Fatal Fury". This is the best "state of IC" thread ever because it is quite positive in tone instead of the usual "this place sux now" bullshit. I mean, there are even actual suggestions being made! It also helps that it's mostly true. Maybe we should all post while drunk. Conclusion: There is more than enough HEART and BURNING GUTS in IC. See: James, TOLLMASTER, Mr Mech, Guardian, DAIS. Winker I won't name-drop you since I think you have too much ego, flaunting the fact that you are published in The Gamers Quarter at every turn. It is for your own good, brother. ... if anyone's to blame it is rya ok there i said it

Mr. Mechanical

Posts: 1890

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject:

Hey look this topic is still here. Great. Okay, I'll make this quick because I want to avoid the same old tired talking points that get brought up with topics like this. Yeah, I can just leave if I don't like it, and I've almost done that several times but I keep coming back for some reason. It's like others have already said here, there's really no other place out there like this one. I'm not talking about making drastic changes to the way things are, just that everyone put a little more thought into what they post. I proposed propping up the importance of Post of the Week as a measure to do just this. A little something like that can go a really long way in places like this, I feel. The problem is a a lack of morale, as far as I can see it. There is no leadership, no organization, and therefore no direction. We don't really have a pet project that's fun for everyone to participate in. Post of the Week had that potential, and has mostly squandered it. Thus my frustration and call for action. No need to make anything mandatory, just reorient yourself in how you view things around here. Maybe you're not at all unsatisfied with anything. That's fine then, just keep doing what you're doing. I'm happy for you. If you are unsatisfied however, then the first step is making a conscious effort to change, not the forums in general, but yourself. Take one out of ten posts you make and tell yourself that that one will be pure Post of the Week material. Or we could try group activities, like take a week where everyone tries to dig up as much information on some small, obscure game company as possible and then compile all that information into a single thread. Something that might be useful to the outsider looking in. Fucking Konami Week and The IC Game Club are great community building ideas and often fun to participate in, yet the only happen once in a while (or in the case of FKW, once a year). Yeah, FKW is kind of stupid, but it's also a good chance for everyone to step up and say "This is our house. The house that we built." But I'm only one guy with a few ideas, and one person can never change the direction of an entire forum. Change has to come from within. So I ask you, Insert Credit, to look within yourselves and ask yourselves if it is truly change that you seek. Edit-I'm also really disappointed that none of you took up my challenge to read the post while chugging beer and then posting. I was really hoping someone would do that. I'm also disappointed that no one has photoshopped my avatar onto a crucifix because I was really throwing myself up on the cross in that first post there, wasn't I? I used to do the IRC thing but I fell out of it. Not that it wasn't wacky or fun enough, because it was, but it just didn't stimulate me the same way a good seven page thread on this forum can. There was also a lot of ego being bandied about, which is a lot easier to deal with and ignore in a place that isn't happening in real time.

winkerwanker

Posts: 2414

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject:

Guys i'm not going to lie the first thing i did upon opening this thread was ctrl-f ing my name. Maz i can't help being so IN DEMAND ok.

Hot Stott Bot

Posts: 2097

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject:

winkerwanker wrote: Guys i'm not going to lie the first thing i did upon opening this thread was ctrl-f ing my name. Ctrl-f? All good users of all good browsers just hit forward slash.

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