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DeusJester · Posts: 1388

extralife wrote:

Despite hating the damn game, I almost want to pick it up again. Fuck me good.

DO IT BITCH! You can use your shiny new graphics card.

extralife · Posts: 3316

I don't have the money. Fucking MMO's: I have a god damn box sitting here with a honest-to-god video game sitting inside that I cannot play.

LegatoB · Posts: 1546

I am trying to decide if I should give Kirin Tor a shot. Would a relentlessly cheery and good-natured undead warrior being too "immersion breaking?" I can't help but think such a ludicrous choice would be the most fun to role-play (when necessary).

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

I really think you've got the wrong idea about what goes on on a roleplay server. There are no "rules" about who or what your character is. Nobody's going to get pissed if you wanna play a happy undead warrior. And it's not like you must be in character at all times or you're going to be banned OMG or anything like that. Some people never break character, but most people aren't nearly that picky about it.

I'm on Google Talk right now (deusjester at gmail dot com), so add me to the list and let me know if/when you're going to get on (if you don't have Gmail by now then something is clearly wrong with you). I'll ride out to Brill or wherever and pick you up, introduce you to the crew, etc. Stick around if you want, or don't, but at least take a look.

LegatoB · Posts: 1546

DeusJester wrote:

I really think you've got the wrong idea about what goes on on a roleplay server. There are no "rules" about who or what your character is. Nobody's going to get pissed if you wanna play a happy undead warrior. And it's not like you must be in character at all times or you're going to be banned OMG or anything like that. Some people never break character, but most people aren't nearly that picky about it.

I blame my apprehension on the fact that the most vocal of these people are the ones who take this sort of thing Very Seriously. Guess I'll roll something up and see what it's like. I want to see how WoW runs on this new video card, anyway.

I'll leave Google Talk running (lord.of.pie at gmail) so you can feel free to send me spam and ask if I've gotten settled or whatever. Odds are I'll be on all night. I tried to add you but it seems to think you need to be invited (?) so I guess I entered your address wrong or something.

Edit: Ended up rolling a warrior named Brighton. Let's see how long I play him.

Talbain · Posts: 628

Hark my courted bailiwick, wouldst thou care for a grog?

GrimSweeper · Posts: 530

I think not, for thou hast poisoned the air with thine tarnished words. Speak plainly, dog!

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Note: I'm an Orc. My RP tends to be something along the lines of "Man, that fucking gnome stands outside the city and yells in her damned language at me one more fucking time and I'm going snap her head off and fuck the stump. Stupid pink-haired halfling cunt. I've taken shits bigger than her. *pounds a beer and farts loudly*"

Talbain · Posts: 628

GrimSweeper wrote:

Middle English.

Ok.

Cycle · Posts: 1574

A friend lent me a copy, so I'm going to play it even though I've been meaning not too. I hate how so many people I know play this all the time instead of going out and living like we used to. It's stupid.

So yeah, I guess I already have an opinion of this game.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Cycle wrote:

So yeah, I guess I already have an opinion of this game.

Despite not having played it. And we all know how much I love that! But, you're gonna give it a shot, so good.

And I know it's not the thing for everyone, either. Some people just aren't gonna like it, and hey! That's fine. I'm not about to get defensive over Warcraft.

I will say I enjoy it quite a bit, though.

We've had a few ICers show up as well. Good stuff.

Cycle · Posts: 1574

Oh, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. That's what I'm afraid of... I don't need something like this to be addicted to

extralife · Posts: 3316

Despite my vocal dislike of the game, I busted out a Priest on Dues's server. My friend is currently paying for my account so he can play my 41 Shaman on Deathwing. We'll see how this goes. Should I encounter a steady source of income, I could see myself sticking with this Priest. On the other hand, as a level six, I've run into two quests that glitched my out of the reward. That's some bullshit.

Talbain · Posts: 628

Don't worry, until you hit 60, nothing you get or will get really has any significance (and even then, most things you get will have no significance).

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Talbain wrote:

Don't worry, until you hit 60, nothing you get or will get really has any significance (and even then, most things you get will have no significance).

You've really got something against this game, don't you?

dizzyjosh · Posts: 87

extralife wrote:

Despite my vocal dislike of the game, I busted out a Priest on Dues's server. My friend is currently paying for my account so he can play my 41 Shaman on Deathwing. We'll see how this goes. Should I encounter a steady source of income, I could see myself sticking with this Priest. On the other hand, as a level six, I've run into two quests that glitched my out of the reward. That's some bullshit.

i'm on there too! what's yr name?

were you in a party with deus? i realized this morning that that's why i wasn't completing a certain quest last night. raid parties don't let you get rewards for non-raid quests.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

We were in a raid party?

I mean, we may very well have been, I wasn't the party leader, but a raid party's something you have to manually convert to. They cap quest rewards because you can have 40 people in a raid instead of 5 in a standard party.

Did you kind of get a feel for the RP environment, Dizzyjosh? The toons themselves generally don't speak out of character, but we all do. It takes a little getting used to but makes the game a lot more fun, I find. You kind of have to mentally separate yourself from your character, then it becomes easy. Like, I generally refer to Mohal in the third person, not the first. Sounds dumb, but it mentally gets you into the right headspace.

Really, all this crap sounds about a zillion times geekier speaking about it outside of the game than it actually turns out to be when you see it in the game. When you're actually IN the game, it comes across as perfectly natural. Having the imagine of this big hulking Orc on your screen suddenly sprout a word bubble above his head that says "brb guys gotta eat" actually looks pretty stupid; it's much less jarring if he says "Hold on, I need to sit down for a second and catch my breath. Go on without me, I'll catch up." That's considered "heavy" roleplay, but it fits a lot better and really isn't that hard to do.

But even I kinda cringe explaining to people who aren't in there with me.

Oh well, I'll live! You'll all just have to trust me that it works.

And yes, the fact that good RP instantly lets you gauge someone's intelligence doesn't hurt.

You seemed like you were taking your guy in kind of an eccentric direction, which is awesome. A lot of people have fun with the Undead because, basically, anything goes -- they're dead! You can make them absolutely batshit insane and it's still "in character".

There was one undead couple who were having a lover's "fight" in the inn in Brill. Basically, they started a duel in there (they were both, like, level 5), and just spent an hour or so abusing each other verbally with the occasional smack upside the head with a beer mug for effect. There was crowd participation ("Hey! Orc! Isn't my wife beautiful?" "Uh, I don't really...Feel qualified to say..." "SURE you do! Just look at those tits!") and it was generally just hilarious. The kind of thing I'd kill to see written in an offline RPG.

Amusingly, when I asked them later, they said it was inspired by a very similarly-scripted easter egg scene between two NPC mutants in Fallout 2. Which is just all kinds of awesome.

LegatoB · Posts: 1546

The only contact I actually had with another player so far was teaming up to take down the head honcho in that Alliance fortress down in Durotar, and the most we actually communicated was through /bow or /thank or /bye. So basically, it was just like a regular server, only General wasn't filled with textual diaherrea. It's still rather unnerving, given what I'm used to on, like, every other WoW server ever. I'm afraid that entering The Barrens and not having to /leave 1 might crush my soul.

Also, do you guys make a habit to go into the Orc starting area and duel, or did I just happen to wander by at the exact right time?

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

LegatoB wrote:

Also, do you guys make a habit to go into the Orc starting area and duel, or did I just happen to wander by at the exact right time?

You mean this?

For the record there, Cuernos is GCDiaz. Mohal is obviously me. Jyot I have convinced to register on these forums but she never posts.

Also, in that screenshot, note how dangerously, teeteringly close I am to hitting level 60. I really don't wanna hit 60. Not yet.

Yeah, you just happened to walk by at the right time. Extralife was in there (or was that you? I kept calling you Freeman, if it was -- sorry!) and there wasn't much we could do to help him/you, so we decided to duel and put on a show for the kiddies.

THAT'S actually a good thing to point out: Anyone ICers who want in, just grind you way to level 12 or so via solo-play. I mean, let me know you're in there so we can throw you in the general OOC chat and all that, but character wise we can't do much with you until you're at least twelve (which should only take two or three days). The first levels go by pretty fast, and I personally got up to about 20 doing absolutely nothing but solo -- it's actually faster that way.

We will, however, run you through instances to get you good gear. Once you hit 10, I believe you can get into Ragefire Chasm, so we'll do that.

Talbain · Posts: 628

I've got something against MMOs, not this game, DJ. I've played Ragnarok Online, Lineage, Talesweaver, FFXI, World of Warcraft, Dofus, Guild Wars, Diablo, Diablo II, and probably every other "online" RPG type game there is (or at least a hell of a lot of them).

It's always the same problems and the same systems. But you know I'm not lying about that. Until you hit endgame in WoW (like every other MMO), there's nothing your character gets that they'll keep for any real amount of time.

I already equated MMOs to being a handjob and WoW isn't an exception to the rule. In fact, I'd almost call WoW the FF7 of MMOs, without a plot at all.

I suppose I'm somewhat bitter about the fact that there's nothing you really "take away" from an MMO, and what's worse, is that there's no eventual "end" to it all. I'd like an MMO where you do a little more than hunt/gather. Sure, I've made lots of good friends and found some interesting bugs/hacks/things to do while bored, but ultimately I don't feel like MMOs give anything back to the player and I think they should.

What's more unfortunate still, is that unless you made the game in some type of Legend of Mana type universe (a loose story that works more like building blocks, with an eventual climax), I'm not even sure the concept of this would be conceivable.

Maybe that's the problem I see with it all; there's no climax. No light at the end of the tunnel, no lesson learned; no attempt at sharing fragments of philosophy or wisdom. There's just the game. Frankly, "just the game" isn't really enough anymore; it wasn't really enough in the past either, it's just that we were more fascinated with it then because it was still new.

BalbanesBeoulve · Posts: 2126

DeusJester wrote:

Talbain wrote:

Don't worry, until you hit 60, nothing you get or will get really has any significance (and even then, most things you get will have no significance).

You've really got something against this game, don't you?

Well Blizzard loves to give shit quest rewards. Cloth belt with + Str and +Spir, yeah, fucking awesome!

Talbain · Posts: 628

I'm particularly amused by this endgame set.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Talbain wrote:

I suppose I'm somewhat bitter about the fact that there's nothing you really "take away" from an MMO, and what's worse, is that there's no eventual "end" to it all. I'd like an MMO where you do a little more than hunt/gather. Sure, I've made lots of good friends and found some interesting bugs/hacks/things to do while bored, but ultimately I don't feel like MMOs give anything back to the player and I think they should.

Well, I think we're looking at it completely differently, though I expect that's a social thing more than anything else at this point. I'm looking to "get" something out of the game that's significantly different than what I expect you're looking for.

And I've kind of realized that whenever I get into stuff like this, especially recently for whatever reason (I'm going to chalk it up to an uncharacteristic level of stress this month) I sound like a know-it-all asshole. That's really, really not how I want to sound and not what I'm trying to get across. So when I say we're trying to get different things out of the game, I don't mean that in a superior, my-way-is-better way, you know what I mean?

But, point being, by this point I really don't care about the game itself. I do, however, immensely enjoy the social aspect of it, to the point where that has very much become the game for me. The intangibles are very strongly outweighing everything else at this point, both in terms of the people I've been fighting and the people I've been communicating with.

Will it eventually get boring for me? Yeah, sure, of course it will. I'll keep talking to the people I like outside of the game and that'll be that.

I knew that going in, though. To me, this game had a set lifespan when I bought it -- it's already outlived that. I love my guild, I love casual PvP aspect, and I just like my character a whole bunch. One of the things I enjoyed so much about morrowind was the character growth, and my Warcraft character has rapidly grown to become my favorite videogame spawn so far. I fucking love the guy.

BalbanesBeoulve · Posts: 2126

Talbain wrote:

I'm particularly amused by this endgame set.

That's pretty good warlock armor.

dizzyjosh · Posts: 87

DeusJester wrote:

We were in a raid party?

I mean, we may very well have been, I wasn't the party leader, but a raid party's something you have to manually convert to. They cap quest rewards because you can have 40 people in a raid instead of 5 in a standard party.

ct_raid registered 'my first raid party' when i joined the group, and my raid tab was active. i thought it might be a glitch since it was my first party, but that would totally explain why the quest kept triggering and refusing to complete. i'll double-check when i get on next, it wasn't a hard quest.

DeusJester wrote:

Did you kind of get a feel for the RP environment, Dizzyjosh?

yeah, and i actually liked it. i've done the high-level raid thing, but my favorite part of mmos is the goofy side stuff anyways. throwing raves in the crystal caverns, organizing world pvp stuff, flirting with NPCs in instances, etc.
plus my character is fun.

DeusJester wrote:

You seemed like you were taking your guy in kind of an eccentric direction, which is awesome. A lot of people have fun with the Undead because, basically, anything goes -- they're dead! You can make them absolutely batshit insane and it's still "in character".

i just picked the name because i was reading his stuff at the time, but i'm getting into it. i'm developing a little backstory and some catchphrases and everything. playing a spectularly insane postmodern french philosopher who died, became a priest and is learning enchanting and herbalism while attempting to develop a theory on the vagueries of goblin capitalism and the psychosexual dynamics of the undead leadership (arthas = oedipus in action, sylvannas = a veritable antigone who opposes him!) is basically all i feel like roleplaying anyways.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

~~Wheeeeee!~~
Wiiiiiiiii!

...I think I should probably hit 60 now.

Talbain · Posts: 628

I understand that DJ, and I love the social aspect of games like these too.

I just kind of wish there were more to it than that.

(Not that... I'll probably stop playing any time soon, because I'm a walking contradiction like that.)

Anyways, thanks DJ, I think I somewhat understand your love for it, and I think I understand a little better why I've been playing MMOs for so long.

Also, Balbanes, if I remember correctly, that was supposed to be a new mage set.

LegatoB · Posts: 1546

DeusJester wrote:

Yeah, you just happened to walk by at the right time. Extralife was in there (or was that you? I kept calling you Freeman, if it was -- sorry!) and there wasn't much we could do to help him/you, so we decided to duel and put on a show for the kiddies.

Nah, I was just a lowly level 6-7 undead guy, who sat on the fire for a bit and silently watched you duel. I'm still getting a feel for the RP environment. Didn't get a chance to play today because of Oblivion, but variety is the spice of life, so I guess I'll grind to 12 or so tomorrow and then see about seeking you guys out.

Mrs. Jones · Posts: 4

benreed wrote:

I've seen some legendarily stupid Paladins (almost ALL of which were human...you rarely see a Dwarf paladin, let ALONE a FEMALE dwarf paladin), but yeah, generally, if there's a retard in your party, he's probably playing a Night Elf. It's really ironic, too, that of all Night Elf classes, Night Elf ROGUES tend to attract the least retards. I can't remember the last time I ran an instance of any kind with a stupid NE Rogue, and I have run a shitload of instances in my time.

I appreciate that comment considering I play a Night Elf rogue. I love the rogue class, but I've had a lot of issues with idiotic parties in instances. What they tend to do is just run through it, aggro a shitload of enemies, die, then yell at me because I sapped the wrong enemy. They tell me to sap a certain enemy in a room full of enemies that will aggro from miles away. Yeah, that will certainly work. I do it, knowing it means imminent death (not for me, because I just sprint away, heehee), and they get mad at me because I picked the wrong one. Sorry, MFers, but there was no right one. I don't really want to play anymore because of the other people with whom I have to play. Alliance just does not have its stuff together. The Horde are much more organized and effective. The Alliance will not help each other out at all. I also don't have a guild anymore because all my real-life friends of which it consisted have stopped playing. Needless to say, I'm struggling to find the motivation to log on. Oh well, it will save me some money each month.

extralife · Posts: 3316

Join Kirin Tor. If enough newbies join up, we can be a roving band of IC n00b losers running Wailing Caverns all the live long day.

Psiga · Posts: 3990

'Bout how much time does it take to go from 0 to 6, then 6 to 12? I get that it can happen in a day, but how much time in a day?

Talbain · Posts: 628

My understanding is that if you spend a full day just leveling, you can get from about 1-18 in a day, after that, leveling drops off pretty significantly unless you've got people to help you. 19-27 is about doable, then 27-31, 32-35, 36-38, 39-40, at 40+, I'd suspect it'd take an average (the power levelers can do it much faster than this, though I don't know how) player about a day to level, if they did nothing but power level.

Meaning that, if you play pretty vigorously, you can hit 60 in about a month. Power levelers can do it in 2 weeks... again, I don't know how.

BalbanesBeoulve · Posts: 2126

1-18 in a day is pretty hard. Unless you want to pull an 8am-midnight kind of thing.

extralife · Posts: 3316

Psiga wrote:

'Bout how much time does it take to go from 0 to 6, then 6 to 12? I get that it can happen in a day, but how much time in a day?

0-6 takes nothing. A few hours, maybe. Not that much more to go from 6-12. After that, you can run Ragefire and Wailing Caverns for a while if you want.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Yeah, 1-12 is nothing. That's a day, two days tops of maybe a few serious hours per day. Significantly less if you know what you're doing, too. Also, once someone hits 12, we can get you up to 30 or so in three or four days if you really want to go that fast (you may not -- it's not as fun to do it that way), and right up until 40 you can do a level every one or two days if you're consistent.

To give you an idea, I soloed pretty much right up to level 40 without much problem. Quite a few quests you will need help on, but it's nothing that's going to slow you way down.

40-60 will easily take you twice as long as all your other levels put together, possibly more. It's also 40-ish that a lot of people drop the game, coincidentally. The very frequent rewards suddenly stop coming nearly as fast at that point.

To anyone who's coming in/is in that I haven't already talked to, PM me your character's name and I'll add it to the first post in the thread for the record.

Also, for those just coming in, a few mods you'll probably want to pick up are Gatherer, which I'm kicking myself for not getting earlier, and FlagRSP, which is a very unobtrusive little mod that lets you write a character description for yourself, give yourself a last name, etc. Don't worry about it being out-of-date, it works fine (just make sure you tell the game to load outdated mods from the mod menu).

Once you hit 40 you're definitely going to want QuickMountEquip as well. It's practically necessary.

BEIGE · Posts: 208

I would join, but I only play human paladins that /yell in all caps during battlegrounds.

I did have a 56 Tauren warrior, but not on Kirin Tor.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Pretty. (click for full size!)

Talbain · Posts: 628

Something about sitting on a building tip is both amusing and terribly incorrect, from an anatomical viewpoint.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Well, he's not really sitting on the tip, just the peak of the roof. It's possible to do that. Probably wouldn't wanna stay in that position for a very long time, but meh. It made for a neat picture.

GcDiaz · Posts: 1057

Some girls like the wooden horse, tho.

extralife · Posts: 3316

Booty Bay is hot no matter how you slice it.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

I lose!...But I win?

The 60's bracket is fun. I dunno why everyone I talked to bitches about it so much.

Talbain · Posts: 628

Technically you tied, but you had less deaths. So!

Psiga · Posts: 3990

HOW MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE KOREAN? KEKEKEKEKEKE

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Talbain wrote:

Technically you tied, but you had less deaths. So!

Amusingly, the guy right below me was actively trying to kill me while the battleground closed. Saved by the bell!

You can actually see the "sapped" icon in the upper-right (the one with the 30 second timer below it). He was just about to gank my ass but good.

GcDiaz · Posts: 1057

DeusJester wrote:

I lose!...But I win?

The 60's bracket is fun. I dunno why everyone I talked to bitches about it so much.

Exactly who was doing the bitching, my dear Mohal?

Talbain · Posts: 628

Enjoy.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Talbain wrote:

Enjoy.

Heh, that was good. And...Hmm. Hey. Dudes rockin' the dress in Warcraft means they could whup yo' monkey ass.

Also. GAH what the fuck. Now I have to wait another whole week to get my goddamn armour? FUCK!

GcDiaz wrote:

DeusJester wrote:

I lose!...But I win?

The 60's bracket is fun. I dunno why everyone I talked to bitches about it so much.

Exactly who was doing the bitching, my dear Mohal?

Well, Balkoor, Jyot, and Lotasa all "retired" from PvP in disgust after a single week of the 60's bracket, for one thing. Seeing as PvP was pretty much all Lotasa did (she made it all the way to Champion - 3 ranks above me, currently) that should be saying something.

Now that I'm up there and Nazk is well on his way, though, I'm gonna see if I can't get them to hop back in the saddle for a bit. I just want my PvP Mount at rank 11. That's "all". Note that means months of grinding away at it, but I like PvP, so it shouldn't be so bad.

But hey, I might as well set my sights on High Warlord while I'm at it, right? A guy can dream...

BalbanesBeoulve · Posts: 2126

Yeah, fucking robes, man. That's the main thing I hate about warlocks.

Monochrome · Posts: 27

Okay, I'm on the bandwagon.

It'll be a few days before I can join (my monitor is dying and I need to choose a new one), so in the meantime: is there any particular role the lowbies of Deusguild need right now? I'm leaning towards an Undead Priest, but I'm flexible. Would two priests in a five-man party actually be useful for anything, or does the second one typically just sit on his ass and waste a spot?

clarification edit: I *can* join, but being relied upon for an extended period of time (i.e. instances) is out of the question for the next few days.