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Mister Toups · Posts: 4943

Also, for as long as I've known Tim he's pretty much liked every game/piece of hardware that he's come across. It's hard for me to take any of these viral marketing accusations seriously because I have a hard time imagining him saying bad things about nearly any thing that isn't kingdom hearts.

James · Posts: 1735

Was... was that a hissy fit? I have no response. But I do have a song!

Tim Rogers gotta leather jacket but he can't rock
Got a fictional girlfriend And no cock
Post-modern sex life in the fifth dimension
All timmy craves is attention

All it needs is someone to mutilate the same chord while looking meek and singing it over and and over while a man politely hits drums like they might hit back if he plays too hard and you have the feelgood hit of the youtube summer, homes.

108 · Posts: 2600

the vinculum gate wrote:

it's pretty fun. at least i have my integrity!

the thing is you have to risk your integrity to ever boast about having integrity

the drunken samurai · Posts: 4645

. . .

hi tim

108 · Posts: 2600

James wrote:

Was... was that a hissy fit?

it might have been!

James · Posts: 1735

Hey tim tell us more about your mary sue fanfiction, I mean proposed beat-em-up

Mister Toups · Posts: 4943

108 wrote:

Mister Toups wrote:

For what it's worth, on one of Tim's first articles for Next-Gen the blurb they ran mentioned that he works for Sony.

Yeah, they did that.

I guess Carless wants them to do it on every column?

I challenge him to start disclosing at the top of every blog post he writes "DISCLOSURE: SIMON CARLESS, WHO WROTE THE BELOW WORDS, WHO WILL USE 'US' AND 'WE' EVEN THOUGH HE'S TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF, IS GETTING PAID TO DO THIS, AND PROBABLY FEELS A LITTLE GUILTY."

Well, two things:

1) I would imagine the most likely scenario is that he's only read a few of your columns and never saw those columns where you make mention of it in particular.

2) Either way I don't think his stance is all that unreasonable, though I guess I can't blame you for getting pissed off about it. Were I in your position I'd probably feel the same way.

I don't think it's too much to ask that next-gen to put a brief blurb at the end of your article saying "Tim Rogers is a freelance journalist who works for sony" or something like that.

The larger point of whether or not it matters is up for debate. I'm inclined to think that it only matters if you're interested in holding up the veneer that videogame journalists are anything more than PR-spewing industry lapdogs.

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

integrity challenged by a guy who exchanges positive reviews for cash ITT

Wilkes · Posts: 1603

you make a great mod and a terrible poster.

isn't that strange?

Cycle · Posts: 1574

i wish someone would offer ME money for positive reviews. instead i'm just ripping into every game that's handed to me. i guess that's why they don't often trust me with the big names.

TOLLMASTER · Posts: 1977

LegatoB wrote:

Yeah, the phrases "Tim Rogers" and "journalistic integrity" go together about as well as "penis" and "meat grinder."

Funny story--in high school, we decided that the word "fucker" had lost its impact, so we devised a new insult that could only be used on the most vile of people.

That was "chode hopper"--the "hopper" part refers to a meat hopper. You know how you can imitate the sound of machinery by making that "erreererererererer" sound, and you can feel your teeth vibrate? Well, a "chode hopper" is a man who, in the process of sucking another man's dick, suddenly bites down hard and makes that noise, and then begins grinding his teeth.

I don't believe I have had a strong enough emotion near a human being to use "chode hopper" as of yet, but I theorize the buildup from the insult will cause a catatrophic tear in the Earth's time/space field. If you wake up one day and there's a dinosaur sleeping next to you, and for some reason you're now Dennis Hopper with that scallop-potato hair he had in Super Mario Bros., then you'll know that someone dropped the "chode hopper" bomb.

Also, one time I won a bet and, for halloween, can force that person to cosplay as Frieza, Tim Rogers. I have been tempted to use this power before, but I'm saving it for an appropriate moment--it wouldn't be any good to take a picture when they're still a kid. Like the Moogle Vestal picture, I want this to be something the person will be ashamed of for the rest of their lives.

Also, hi Tim. Sup?

TOLLMASTER · Posts: 1977

Mister Toups wrote:

108 wrote:

Mister Toups wrote:

For what it's worth, on one of Tim's first articles for Next-Gen the blurb they ran mentioned that he works for Sony.

Yeah, they did that.

I guess Carless wants them to do it on every column?

I challenge him to start disclosing at the top of every blog post he writes "DISCLOSURE: SIMON CARLESS, WHO WROTE THE BELOW WORDS, WHO WILL USE 'US' AND 'WE' EVEN THOUGH HE'S TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF, IS GETTING PAID TO DO THIS, AND PROBABLY FEELS A LITTLE GUILTY."

Well, two things:

1) I would imagine the most likely scenario is that he's only read a few of your columns and never saw those columns where you make mention of it in particular.

2) Either way I don't think his stance is all that unreasonable, though I guess I can't blame you for getting pissed off about it. Were I in your position I'd probably feel the same way.

I don't think it's too much to ask that next-gen to put a brief blurb at the end of your article saying "Tim Rogers is a freelance journalist who works for sony" or something like that.

The larger point of whether or not it matters is up for debate. I'm inclined to think that it only matters if you're interested in holding up the veneer that videogame journalists are anything more than PR-spewing industry lapdogs.

wait guys

i thought william rogers wrote those articles

isn't that like, tim's brother or cousin or something? not tim? c'mon he TOLD US it wasn't him

108 · Posts: 2600

Mister Toups wrote:

I don't think it's too much to ask that next-gen to put a brief blurb at the end of your article saying "Tim Rogers is a freelance journalist who works for [a company]"

Okay -- you want my absolute fucking bottom-line opinion?

. . . I don't want people to know I work for whoever I work for because people have been programmed to just automatically let that color their opinion. And that gets annoying. I start getting accusatory emails. What they're actually accusing me of, I don't know.

My frustration with Carless had nothing to do with work policies or journalistic frustration; it had to do with his buried assumption that having a job where I have a job is what makes my writing worth publishing in the first place. He talks about being a "games industry" person who somehow got into journalism. I guess I'm a "writer" who got into the "games industry."

I don't plan on staying at this (part-time) job much longer, anyway.

Also, I translated this manga.

It comes out on the 28th. Please go read it. It's really good. That's why I picked it for translation.

VIRAL MARKETING

Mr. Mechanical · Posts: 1890

pretending that videogame journalism actually has anything at all to do with real journalism ITT.

James · Posts: 1735

108 wrote:

. . . I don't want people to know I work for whoever I work for because people have been programmed to just automatically let that color their opinion.

Oh jesus are you for real

Are you

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

no but he was for real when he called me an internet nobody and kept a straight face

108 · Posts: 2600

the vinculum gate wrote:

integrity challenged by a guy who exchanges positive reviews for cash ITT

integrity challenged by a guy whose integrity i challenged itt

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

also, part time job? thinking of quitting? weren't you living in a subway station a few months ago?

Mister Toups · Posts: 4943

108 wrote:

Mister Toups wrote:

I don't think it's too much to ask that next-gen to put a brief blurb at the end of your article saying "Tim Rogers is a freelance journalist who works for [a company]"

Okay -- you want my absolute fucking bottom-line opinion?

. . . I don't want people to know I work for whoever I work for because people have been programmed to just automatically let that color their opinion. And that gets annoying. I start getting accusatory emails. What they're actually accusing me of, I don't know.

Well, yeah. Like I said, I'm sympathetic. As you say, it's annoying -- but that's all it is, annoying. You have confidence in your own integrity, so it shouldn't matter what people accuse you of. It's just bitches bitching, as you'd say.

James · Posts: 1735

108 wrote:

s what makes my writing worth publishing in the first place.

Who actually thinks it's worth publishing, though? Less and less people, these days.

TOLLMASTER · Posts: 1977

Mr. Mechanical wrote:

pretending that videogame journalism actually has anything at all to do with real journalism ITT.

Hell, man.

Journalism is kind of screwed up, as a concept. There's this assumption that journalists, who number in the thousands and are human beings, are able to make this invisible line between "reporting only the facts" and "here is my honest opinion." And, of course, the only thing that keeps this policy in place is journalists pointing and snickering at other journalists when they take a misstep.

But people believe that this line exists, and that there is a huge difference between normal human beings and journalists. So nowadays you can't even have a proper discussion, anymore, since one side is getting their "facts" from an impartial journalist, and is doing combat with another side whose "facts" came from another impartial journalist, and when the "facts" don't seem to match up, instead of going "hey maybe we don't have the facts" they just kind of shake their fists at each other.

Because magical fairies named "Journalists" supplied these facts, and because questioning where this information came from is boring, the art of argument has quickly turned from "I would like this to happen, and based upon this data I believe we should take this course of action" to "AHA I HAVE CAUGHT YOU IN A TRAP OF SEMANTICS, ERGO I WIN."

What "journalism" has really done is changed how people view ideas. There's no respect for ideas, anymore. You have to have an expert interviewed by a journalist for any idea to count.

also sup mr mech

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

Mister Toups wrote:

108 wrote:

Mister Toups wrote:

I don't think it's too much to ask that next-gen to put a brief blurb at the end of your article saying "Tim Rogers is a freelance journalist who works for [a company]"

Okay -- you want my absolute fucking bottom-line opinion?

. . . I don't want people to know I work for whoever I work for because people have been programmed to just automatically let that color their opinion. And that gets annoying. I start getting accusatory emails. What they're actually accusing me of, I don't know.

Tim please get me a job at next-gen please please please

TOLLMASTER · Posts: 1977

108 wrote:

the vinculum gate wrote:

integrity challenged by a guy who exchanges positive reviews for cash ITT

integrity challenged by a guy whose integrity i challenged itt

oh shit he speaks our sekrit tongue

HE FIGURED OUT OUR CODE (all is over)

108 · Posts: 2600

James wrote:

108 wrote:

. . . I don't want people to know I work for whoever I work for because people have been programmed to just automatically let that color their opinion.

Oh jesus are you for real

Are you

not really, no

i wouldn't have used words like "absolute bottom line" if i was telling the truth

108 · Posts: 2600

the vinculum gate wrote:

also, part time job? thinking of quitting? weren't you living in a subway station a few months ago?

fuck, you believed that?

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

the great thing about being tim rogers is that you can say 'lolol that was a lie' when someone calls you out for just about anything

James · Posts: 1735

the vinculum gate wrote:

the great thing about being tim rogers is that you can say 'lolol that was a lie' when someone calls you out for just about anything

like that post about fucking a porn star no honestly guys

Mister Toups · Posts: 4943

the vinculum gate wrote:

mean things

you cut me to the core :'(

also when I want a job at next-gen I harass aderack, get it straight

James · Posts: 1735

I thought he got fired

108 · Posts: 2600

the vinculum gate wrote:

the great thing about being tim rogers is that you can say 'lolol that was a lie' when someone calls you out for just about anything

no, the great thing about being tim rogers is fucking the supermodels

. . . and she's not a porn star, she's a "gravure idol"

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

108 wrote:

the vinculum gate wrote:

the great thing about being tim rogers is that you can say 'lolol that was a lie' when someone calls you out for just about anything

no, the great thing about being tim rogers is fucking the supermodels

. . . and she's not a porn star, she's a "gravure idol"

the great thing about being joe flynn is that my girlfriend hasn't had more dicks in her than "anything-for-$15" julie on the corner

well at least there isn't any videotape of it

108 · Posts: 2600

actually the best part about being tim rogers is having such a long history of lying about stuff that no one believes you when you tell the truth, and then when you say the truth you were telling was actually a lie, no one believes it was a lie

Mister Toups · Posts: 4943

I believe you Tim.
don't forget about me when you're rich and famous

AFK · Posts: 91

!= · Posts: 163

When you decide not to mention your current employer, you let your columns at the risk of being attacked through this single point alone. The idea being, it's a lot more devastating to learn about that particular fact from a ranting critic than from the horse's mouth.

You might not care about that. And in any case if your other employer's (next-gen) is fine with that, well it's their full responsability.

Thing is we have to treat all journalism cynically. Now that just about anybody's a journalist, I'm not optimistic about human interactions on the net.

Disclaimer: I bought games as a consequence of reading largeprimenumbers.

108 · Posts: 2600

Mister Toups wrote:

I believe you Tim.
don't forget about me when you're rich and famous

you shouldn't!!

Mister Toups · Posts: 4943

108 wrote:

you shouldn't!!

Tim you're putting me on an emotional rollercoaster >:[

108 · Posts: 2600

the vinculum gate wrote:

he was for real when he called me an internet nobody and kept a straight face

are you fucking retarded?
are we video chatting over here?

some serious DUH itt

Cycle · Posts: 1574

i've only slept with non-supermodels :( maybe i need to expose them to krpyonite or whatever

Mister Toups · Posts: 4943

Okay I can't tell who's putting on who anymore so I'm going to bed.

This has been entertaining, good night!

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

tim you are having an internet breakdown things sometimes don't make sense when that happens it's ok man

108 · Posts: 2600

Cycle wrote:

i've only slept with non-supermodels :( maybe i need to expose them to krpyonite or whatever

that works

their inflated breasts eventually will get cancer; just dump them before then

108 · Posts: 2600

the vinculum gate wrote:

tim you are having an internet breakdown things sometimes don't make sense when that happens it's ok man

yeah and i bet you believed that killer 7 was made with actual passion and feeling too

James · Posts: 1735

108 wrote:

the vinculum gate wrote:

tim you are having an internet breakdown things sometimes don't make sense when that happens it's ok man

yeah and i bet you believed that killer 7 was made with actual passion and feeling too

I bet you think Kojima likes you

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

108 wrote:

the vinculum gate wrote:

tim you are having an internet breakdown things sometimes don't make sense when that happens it's ok man

yeah and i bet you believed that killer 7 was made with actual passion and feeling too

i don't see how this is relevant to your ego crisis :(

Decinoge · Posts: 129

why does this all seems like a huge virtual call for attention?
(i dont know, i just sence those things, i'm an expert on them, dont forget that my ego needs huge amongts of feeding)

Mister Toups · Posts: 4943

Decinoge wrote:

why does this all seems like a huge virtual call for attention?
(i dont know, i just sence those things, i'm an expert on them, dont forget that my ego needs huge amongts of feeding)

shh!

also guys tim just told me that he actually does like killer7 and has been lying about not liking it. discuss.

108 · Posts: 2600

James wrote:

108 wrote:

the vinculum gate wrote:

tim you are having an internet breakdown things sometimes don't make sense when that happens it's ok man

yeah and i bet you believed that killer 7 was made with actual passion and feeling too

I bet you think Kojima likes you

i bet you think i like hideo kojima

i bet you think i'm drinking earl grey tea

Mr. Mechanical · Posts: 1890

TOLLMASTER wrote:

also sup mr mech

sup toll i hope i get interviewed by a journalist someday

And guys the best part about being Tim Rogers is getting into pointless arguments with random people over the internet. Actually, no. That's probably the worst part.

brainiac · Posts: 941

Decinoge wrote:

my ego

i bet you think this post is about you.