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Decinoge · Posts: 129

108 wrote:

shit this is my most successful viral marketing scheme to date

BUY PLAYSTATION 3!!

no visual image :\
not good material

oneEIGHTkevin · Posts: 465

I like decinoge now. Make some pictures for other threads dude.

LegatoB · Posts: 1546

Double posting to say this thread is really dumb.

LegatoB · Posts: 1546

Double posting to say this thread is really dumb.

108 · Posts: 2600

LegatoB wrote:

Double posting to say this thread is really dumb.

the serious DUH itt just increased

Balzac · Posts: 361

108 wrote:

LegatoB wrote:

Double posting to say this thread is really dumb.

the serious DUH itt just increased

Sorry we're not post modern enough for you Tim : (

brainiac · Posts: 941

35-hit burning vinegar attack says you'll never yum cha in this town again, enemied artists. >:|

Cycle · Posts: 1574

HEY GUYS
YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS?

SHIRTLESS O'CLOCK!

*struts his stuff*

Rud13 · Posts: 3277

I wasn't wearing a shirt should I take off my pants instead?

Cycle · Posts: 1574

I AM THE KING.

OF NO PANTS.

108 · Posts: 2600

Cycle wrote:

HEY GUYS
YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS?

SHIRTLESS O'CLOCK!

*struts his stuff*

i'm afraid shirt-stripping would violate my NDA

so pants instead?

Craptastic! · Posts: 151

itt or rather, itt is itt and the appeal of itts usage has come to question

itt I question using itt att all as I have never seen such abunditt itt itt

cosmicsinatra · Posts: 10

Okay, so, I want to make sure I have this thread progression right:

1. Discussion begins about how Video Fenky is gone.

2. Someone mentions that Kevin Gifford, Video Fenky's webmaster, does articles for GameSetWatch.

3. Tim makes a post saying that Kevin Gifford is an asshole based on an (apparent) lie he told in a thread at the Something Awful forums, then expands that to insulting GameSetWatch and its main editor, Simon Carless, for no conceivable reason other than his (publishing standard) use of "we" instead of "I" on a corporate website, then he says something vague and Writerly about ankle biters.

4. Nobody knows what Tim is talking about.

5. Tim elaborates, and mentions wanting to physically harm Simon Carless based on a non-demanding letter he privately sent about a very reasonable conflict of interest concern, failing to mention that said letter was in response to Tim asking that he not be described as "Sony's Tim Rogers," a description which was removed entirely for no conceivable reason other than "I like Tim."

6. Someone dares suggest that Simon had a point.

7. Tim gets very angry and has a fit, and again brings up that Simon's blogging style uses "we" instead of "I," which for some unexplained reason is "evil" and is apparently, in his mind, a good defense against being called out over breaking journalistic ethos.

8. Name calling.

9. People plug fingers in ears and say "LALALA VIDEO GAME JOURNALISM IS A JOKE," which is Insert Credit Forums Solution To Everything #1.

10. Tim starts his "I'm lying...or am I?" schtick, Insert Credit Forums Solution To Everything #2.

11. Posts get shorter and more irrational, relying heavily on obscured something awful forum internet catchphrases such as "itt," because everyone knows that saying the same funny thing repeatedly makes it funnier (just like saying "there is no video game journalism" over and over makes it true).

That's about it, right?

I agree with Simon. Your position, part-time status and plans to potentially leave Sony don't matter, you're being paid to publish an opinion column that directly speaks about Sony products while working at Sony, without disclosing that information, which is a conflict of interest, whether or not you want to believe that there is such a thing as journalistic ethos in video game-related reporting. And furthermore, you're sending emails trying to cover that information up when someone mentions it. And rather than keeping this argument private, you're making it public in the middle of an entirely unrelated thread.

Do you want to punch me in the face too?

(this is Frank, if the username isn't obvious)

Cycle · Posts: 1574

I think frank just called out IC in its entirety!

chosun · Posts: 288

man it is SO NOT COOL copying something SA did first guys.

you guys are all busted.... itt.

108 · Posts: 2600

cosmicsinatra wrote:

Do you want to punch me in the face too?

Hell yeah, I love punching people in the face. Come on over. You can punch me too, if you want.

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

in my defense i was being snarky and internet because tim freaking out in response makes tim freaking out funnier :(

cosmicsinatra · Posts: 10

108 wrote:

cosmicsinatra wrote:

Do you want to punch me in the face too?

Hell yeah, I love punching people in the face. Come on over. You can punch me too, if you want.

Now that I'm a suit and can afford to come to Japan, I don't have the vacation time.

Hi, Tim. We haven't talked in forever. I liked your last LPN entry, and was hella sad when you didn't come to E3.

extralife · Posts: 3316

...who the fuck is Frank?

klikbeep · Posts: 485

extralife wrote:

...who the fuck is Frank?

Who's Andrew Vestal?

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

more serious duh c/o extralife

Cycle · Posts: 1574

extralife wrote:

...who the fuck is Frank?

Frank O'Connor, former editor of Ultra Game Players. Duh.

Rud13 · Posts: 3277

wrong Frank Frank.

extralife · Posts: 3316

klikbeep wrote:

extralife wrote:

...who the fuck is Frank?

Who's Andrew Vestal?

At least that's two names. "Frank" isn't going to do a whole lot for me.

Cycle · Posts: 1574

Who the fuck is Tim Rogers?

108 · Posts: 2600

cosmicsinatra wrote:

Simon's blogging style uses "we" instead of "I," which for some unexplained reason is "evil" and is apparently, in his mind, a good defense against being called out over breaking journalistic ethos.

I do believe I also said that "evil" was "oversaying it."

As for wanting to "cover the information up" -- that's kind of an iffy way to describe it. The information has no relevance to the story.

See, I didn't want to get into all of this:

1. Simon wrote a story about something said by someone Japanese.

2. The words said were in Japanese.

3. The person who translated the words was me.

4. The medium that ran the original words was a magazine (Famitsu) that I have no professional connection to.

5. The medium that ran my translation of the words was a website I write freelance articles for.

6. I write these articles as a person who is reading Japanese news and recording my thoughts as they happen.

7. The person who spoke the words that were recorded in the magazine that I translated for the website happens to work for the same company I work for, albeit in a vastly different context.

8. So, Simon sees my translation and, knowing that I work for this company, doubts it? He thinks I make it look hipper or cooler or smarter than it really was?

9. He decides that because his journalistic integrity tells him there must be a conflict of interest, he'd better insert an indicator of his doubt into the article? So he puts the name of my company before my name.

So the final question is not why put my name on there, it's why run the story at all if you have doubts about its integrity?

That's my serious question.

It's one (good) thing to have journalistic integrity, and it's another thing to wish everyone else did, too. It's a third thing, however, to email the editor of a rival publication with ethics tips. What was he trying to do? Get me fired? I made a simple request to take my name out of the story (he didn't even link my column, anyway, which was indeed for the best).

Would his whole journalistic empire collapse in on itself if the world knew he tried to coach a rival publication?! Is that not some kind of conflict of interest?!?!?!?!

So if the name of my company was relevant to the story, which consisted of a single sentence translated from a magazine, it clearly illustrates the writer of the story's doubt that the translation was accurate. In this ethical model, translating the words of a person at your company as they appeared in a story is, in and of itself, a bigger crime than it would be to just completely falsify information?

What a god damn boring thing to quote in a story, anyway!! I would much rather he quote the part about how Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter

klikbeep · Posts: 485

Frank? Good guy. Took the snow chains off my Impala last year.

108 · Posts: 2600

cosmicsinatra wrote:

108 wrote:

cosmicsinatra wrote:

Do you want to punch me in the face too?

Hell yeah, I love punching people in the face. Come on over. You can punch me too, if you want.

Now that I'm a suit and can afford to come to Japan, I don't have the vacation time.

Hi, Tim. We haven't talked in forever. I liked your last LPN entry, and was hella sad when you didn't come to E3.

Quit your fucking job and ditch that suit!!

Or if you come to Tokyo for TGS you can bounce this rock show I hear is going down.

Tablesaw · Posts: 57

cosmicsinatra wrote:

Okay, so, I want to make sure I have this thread progression right:

1. Discussion begins about how Video Fenky is gone.

2. Someone mentions that Kevin Gifford, Video Fenky's webmaster, does articles for GameSetWatch.

3. Tim starts his schtick

4. Posts get shorter and more irrational.

Abridged for clarity.

James · Posts: 1735

Tim this is an excellent opportunity to leave some of your dignity intact, please for the love of god take it.

You write lots of recycled blog posts for money. I've never seen one flag up your sony employee status. Whatever the backstory, this simon guy had a point and you had nothing.

108 · Posts: 2600

cosmicsinatra · Posts: 10

108 wrote:

Quit your fucking job and ditch that suit!!

Or if you come to Tokyo for TGS you can bounce this rock show I hear is going down.

I'll try to go to TGS, but I'll have to find a good excuse to make them pay me for it, since I'm entirely useless in Japan. This suit makes me look skinny though, I'm gonna keep it for now.

Anyway, I didn't know the exact situation before, and I'm not personally involved, but my take is like this: Simon didn't approve of your writing a column without disclosing that you work for Sony, in general, and he never has. I don't think this specific post had anything to do with it, and hell, I'm not even sure describing you as "Sony's" was meant to be malicious or not, it could have been entirely subconscious. I mean, posting news all day, at least our kind of news, it just becomes mechanized. You always accredit someone.

Regardless of his intent, you wanted the description removed, and it was...without Simon's permission. And I think that's why he got angry: something he wrote was edited without his knowledge or involvement, for reasons that he doesn't agree with, simply because you're our friend. No, he wasn't trying to get you fired, believe it or not he likes you quite a bit. But as you said, Next Gen is a competing publication, and something he wrote was edited to protect his competitor's image and, well, that would get me kind of peeved too.

I mean, really, his problem isn't with you at all, it's with his main competitor for publishing an opinion column that occasionally relates to Sony products, written by someone who works for Sony, and not disclosing that information. And, well, I share that opinion, despite considering you a friend. Sorry. It's nothing personal.

EDIT: I should clarify that I have no opinion either way of whether or not he was "right" for crediting you as a Sony employee, I'm going to stay out of that argument entirely.

cosmicsinatra · Posts: 10

extralife wrote:

klikbeep wrote:

extralife wrote:

...who the fuck is Frank?

Who's Andrew Vestal?

At least that's two names. "Frank" isn't going to do a whole lot for me.

Frank Cifaldi. I think we've met. I created Lost Levels, and currently work at Gamasutra. I had an account here with my normal internet name, TheRedEye, but it hasn't worked since the server move/crash/whatever happened.

108 · Posts: 2600

cosmicsinatra wrote:

I'm not even sure describing you as "Sony's" was meant to be malicious or not, it could have been entirely subconscious. I mean, posting news all day, at least our kind of news, it just becomes mechanized. You always accredit someone.

I can accept that it was subconscious!!

Still, for a journalist conscientious enough to turn all his "I"s into "We"s, he shouldn't let such subconscious little whims get to him!!

If he's going to do such little subconscious things, he's going to have to start asking every interview candidate what their favorite beverage is, or what they dreamed about last night!

Let's get fluffy!!

cifaldi wrote:

as you said, Next Gen is a competing publication, and something he wrote was edited to protect his competitor's image

Oh, he would rather tarnish their image? I thought winning in the war of journalism was accomplished through simply providing better, no-nonsense information?

cifaldi wrote:

I mean, really, his problem isn't with you at all, it's with his main competitor for publishing an opinion column that occasionally relates to Sony products, written by someone who works for Sony, and not disclosing that information.

See, how do you know I do work where you think I work?

Let me tell you, here, our compliance policy works in the following way:

If you're in management, you're either allowed to speak on behalf of the company, or you're not. You will know which one is the case because of who you are.

If you're in PR/advertisement, you are allowed to speak on behalf of the company.

If you're in R&D / development, you're allowed to say whatever the hell you want.

If you're in neither management nor PR nor development, you fall into one of two types:

A. Those with company business cards
B. Those without company business cards

Type A is expected to sit with perfect posture and never navigate away from their Microsoft Excel spreadsheet.

Type B is considered "freelance." Type B includes document translation people like me and several noble men from Japanese videogame magazines.

We do not have company business cards because we are not judged as deserving of them. We are "outsiders." I am allowed to wear my leather jacket and torn jeans into the building. I carry a "guest" key card. I don't even have to show up if I don't want to. If they "need" me for something, they call me.

To say I am an "employee" here is like calling a hospital janitor a doctor.

I don't represent my company, and they don't represent me.

Therefore, my disclosing that I "work" for this company would be like Brandon being forced to disclose he "works" for Mastiff Games at the top of every article he writes.

So, if removing the description from Simon's article was "against his intent," well, that's too bad, though I think he should be grateful that it also made his article more fucking correct.

James · Posts: 1735

Tim Rogers: sourcing for freelance work by telling people to go fuck themselves

cosmicsinatra · Posts: 10

Well, okay. If you're a contract worker (which it doesn't sound like you technically are, but close enough), I wouldn't consider you employed by Sony at all, and I have no problem with you not disclosing that. Sounds to me like it was all a big misunderstanding, sorry for assuming things!

Other than that it's all between you and Simon. I really, really don't think he was trying to get you in trouble, though.

dongle · Posts: 236

this thread makes me sad.

let's be friends.

monaco · Posts: 62

Tim Rogers and Frank Cifaldi on a single thread?

I love this place.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Holy hell, I slept through this? Fuck.

aderack · Posts: 5018

I wonder how this all will turn out. I think everyone involved would do well throwing his head back, uttering a gutteral "bleauuuuuhhh!", quivering his shoulders, and violently shaking his hands at the writsts, then moving on to more pressing matters.

Or maybe I just want to see that.

Mister Toups · Posts: 4943

108 wrote:

DOINK

You know you could have just said this to began with and this thread would not have exploded.

...

Fuck, why the hell does the apostrophe key do the same thing as tab now? why cant I type apostrophes???

Also Decinoges rock-fucking gif == aweseome babay

TOLLMASTER · Posts: 1977

Cycle wrote:

extralife wrote:

...who the fuck is Frank?

Frank O'Connor, former editor of Ultra Game Players. Duh.

Chris Slate was better.

DeusJester · Posts: 1388

aderack wrote:

I wonder how this all will turn out. I think everyone involved would do well throwing his head back, uttering a gutteral "bleauuuuuhhh!", quivering his shoulders, and violently shaking his hands at the writsts, then moving on to more pressing matters.

Or maybe I just want to see that.

Well, that can be arranged easily enough.

Alright, so, we got to watch Tim's brain melt and observe the action as the scent of blood quickly drew the hyena pack to the scene and extend the thread another three pages.

Sounds good, let's pinch it here. Thread over.

LegatoB · Posts: 1546

It's not over until the thread is locked!

James · Posts: 1735

Bass, how low can you go?

aerisdead · Posts: 556

FRANK

You should post here more often. Because you are erudite, sensible and speak clearly. You bring sanity with you.

cosmicsinatra · Posts: 10

aerisdead wrote:

FRANK

You should post here more often. Because you are erudite, sensible and speak clearly.

Which is why I don't post here!

the vinculum gate · Posts: 2868

James wrote:

Bass, how low can you go?

death row, what a weeaboo know

Shapermc · Posts: 2450

cosmicsinatra wrote:

aerisdead wrote:

FRANK

You should post here more often. Because you are erudite, sensible and speak clearly.

Which is why I don't post here!

But you should!

Mia D · Posts: 18

jesus christ someone give tim rogers some midol or something

EDIT: ok read more of the thread and GODDAMNIT Tim rogers I am going to punch you in the face at E3 like I did to Zach meston last year