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108 · Posts: 2600

I just adore that this show's cast has room for hulking steel toasterlike robots, robots that are indistinguishable from humans, and a figment of a main character's imagination that happens to look and sound just like one of the robots that is indistinguishable from humans, and that none of this seems cheesy or retarded at all.

"Are you just going to ignore me?"

"I've decided you're a figment of my imagination."

"How do you know I didn't plant a chip in your brain while you were sleeping so I can transmit my image to you?"

"You see, that's an explanation my imagination would come up with."

That I'm watching this after so recently doing a "research" project on the Xenosaga series is a wonderful coincidence. Why can't a single fucking videogame anywhere have writing that's 1/1000th as good as this? (I'd prefer it, yes, if a Japanese game were to have writing this good.)

In America you've already got strides being made in this direction. Maybe it's right around the corner, in Japan, I don't know. A lot of you people have valid complaints about the JRPG as a genre, and yesterday, after watching some Battlestar Galactica and playing some Lost Odyssey (demo in Famitsu this week), I kind of came to have some faith in how precisely the JRPG can work. Mainly, it requires . . . really, really good writing.

I think Lost Odyssey is going to have that!!

I guess graphics would be the big issue for western game developers? Lost Odyssey really nails the faces by making them look vaguely surreal. Hmmm.

Either way, I guess this is the kind of "adult" I've become -- I like well-made, tightly plotted entertainment that would be morbidly cheesy with the slightest miscalculation.

Wilkes · Posts: 1603

I'm a little miffed over how tight the writing in the sopranos: the show is compared to how awkward and terrible the sopranos: the game is looking to be. doesn't capture any sense of what the show coveys on the mindset of a mobster in relation to how he parses his language.

and, uh, how terrible the game itself likely will be.

aderack · Posts: 5018

Yeah, I've only seen the initial mini-series and season three-so-far, yet... this is pretty amazing stuff. The season three premiere got Agnes interested! She who either leaves the room or makes disparaging remarks when I watch things starring British accents! And who, when she watches TV, spends most of her time watching either the Home Shopping Network or Law & Order.

This is more of a compliment to the show than I'm making it sound.

Mr. Pointy · Posts: 191

Battlestar Galactica is the only show on TV right now that I froth over. The mini-series, season one and season three so far are truly magnificent. Seriously awesome writing, interesting characters, and excellent combat when they do it. A good half of season two is greatly written as well, although about 8-9 episodes in that season can be considered lackluster.

Seriously, Exodus part II > all TV ever.

Also, BSG top-down shooter on XBLA. It'll probably suck, but one can dream.

The Japanese seem to like their standard character archetypes though. The hero in Lost Odyssey seems to be the JRPG-standard stoic tortured soul from what I noticed. His 1000-year lifespan gimmick could make him really interesting if he's written well. I don't have much faith in the writing honestly. I imagine the battle system will be good and the RPGing will be pretty damn interesting.

rf · Posts: 114

I'm not too optimistic about an improvement in Japanese pop-culture writing, great as that would be.

I mean, I watched some Fate/Stay Night with an anime club a week ago. I may be wrong about this, and I'm too lazy to check, but isn't that series really popular in Japan? Well, it struck me as . . . not exactly worse than bad American entertainment, but certainly bad in a specific way that American entertainment rarely is: the story and character actions don't make sense, to an extent that beyond what's necessary even in a setting where high school kids summon mythological figures to battle for the Holy Grail. The characters don't act the way people act, and everything shambles along oddly as if it was made up on the spot. This is fun and can even be really interesting, but it's a kind of badness that Americans won't tolerate in their writing, and the Japanese public apparently will.

So, if this very slippery and extravagant reasoning of mine holds true, don't get your hopes up.

108 · Posts: 2600

rf wrote:

I'm not too optimistic about an improvement in Japanese pop-culture writing, great as that would be.
. . .
I mean, I watched some Fate/Stay Night with an anime club a week ago. I may be wrong about this, and I'm too lazy to check. . .isn't that series really popular in Japan?

No. If it was really popular in Japan, I'd have some sort of fucking clue what it is, instead of just occasionally seeing its name mentioned on the insertcredit.com front page.

To put it bluntly, no anime in Japan is actually "really popular" -- except Hayao Miyazaki's films, which are currently self-styled to the point of near parody. The typical anime that makes some sad Americans think "Man, Japan must be really COOOOL" is normally shown at about three in the morning on Wednesdays. Seriously.

So yeah -- in terms of stepping up Final Fantasy, Lost Odyssey is definitely on track. I mean, it's based on a story by Kiyoshi Shigematsu, who is some serious literary talent. I mean, he's not fucking around. If other RPGs are like anime, getting Shigematsu to write one is like getting Hemingway to write a "Looney Tunes: The Movie" script in the 1950s. I mean, it's bewildering that they convinced this guy to do it, and to be as involved with it as he apparently is.

Man, Lost Odyssey. The demo is about 95% bland RPG, and 105% near-oppressively gorgeous atmosphere. There's almost nothing alive in it beyond the amazing intro FMV. When every soldier on the battlefield (robots and humans) are killed by the vengeful, lava-spewing god in the sky, it becomes just a lonely trek through a dead field. You meet some surviving soldiers at the end of a canyon, and they drive you back to the capital city in a scene with amazing music. (Yes. Uematsu is alive. The bassline is fucking vicious. That seems to be the theme here -- smooth classical music with some voodooistic electric bassline.) Then you follow them through a couple doors, and they get you on a train into the center of the city. They ask you, "How did you survive the battle, really? I mean, you don't have a scratch on you." And the hero ignores them and sits down by the window. Light flickers through the windows. The music starts up. Suddenly, it's FMV, out of the middle of nowhere. He looks over his shoulder out the window. The music kicks up. We see the city -- gleaming orange buildings under a setting sun. The screen fades to black. Words appear:

"I had lived for one thousand years at that time. I would live for one thousand more.
Where I had come from, where I was going: I did not know.
For each moment I was alive, I only knew I would never die.
I knew this as well as I knew that I was still in the middle of every battlefield."

And then it cuts back sharply to the city -- this huge cubical platform in the center of town, and some monolithic structure being built on it. We see the hero's face from a view outside the train window. And the music ramps up higher--and the screen quickly fades to black.

And that's the end of the demo!

In this world of games about Chopin having MASSIVE 60-HIT COMBOS, it's impressive to see something so freakishly understated. It's the new cure for the old disease, is what it is!

dmauro · Posts: 933

I think the fact that I'm not so into sci-fi and I'm very picky about the television I watch, but get really into Battlestar Galactica says a lot about the television show. I could repost the email I wrote to a friend about the series and the things that are great about it (beyond a few excellent actors and solid, believable dialogue), but you'd all probably think I'm crazy. Instead, watch the first season, BUT SKIP THE MINISERIES. Watch the miniseries after you've finished the first season and are totally and completely hooked. Then move on the season two. And then wait for season three on DVD with me.

It's sad that such a good show is not immune to throw away episodes. Maybe that's why 24 is still my favorite.

If any video game came close to producing this kind of affection for characters, interest in plot and metaphor, and good writing, I wouldn't think that RPGs are mostly ridiculous. I don't think that's asking too much. I'm not expecting a good video game to be as engaging as one of my favorite novels, but I hope it can at least be as good as good television.

FortNinety · Posts: 4591

You know... I think I might give this show a shot. Since everyone seems to love it.

TOLLMASTER · Posts: 1977

rf wrote:

I'm not too optimistic about an improvement in Japanese pop-culture writing, great as that would be.

I mean, I watched some Fate/Stay Night with an anime club a week ago. I may be wrong about this, and I'm too lazy to check, but isn't that series really popular in Japan? Well, it struck me as . . . not exactly worse than bad American entertainment, but certainly bad in a specific way that American entertainment rarely is: the story and character actions don't make sense, to an extent that beyond what's necessary even in a setting where high school kids summon mythological figures to battle for the Holy Grail. The characters don't act the way people act, and everything shambles along oddly as if it was made up on the spot. This is fun and can even be really interesting, but it's a kind of badness that Americans won't tolerate in their writing, and the Japanese public apparently will.

So, if this very slippery and extravagant reasoning of mine holds true, don't get your hopes up.

Hell, man. You should accidentally wander into one of those fanmade Wikis sometime, where there are novels worth of background to those stories. To those stories which are just explanations as to how an average guy can summon up King Arthur and have sex with him and it not be gay, no less.

internisus · Posts: 961

dmauro wrote:

I think the fact that I'm not so into sci-fi and I'm very picky about the television I watch, but get really into Battlestar Galactica says a lot about the television show. I could repost the email I wrote to a friend about the series and the things that are great about it (beyond a few excellent actors and solid, believable dialogue), but you'd all probably think I'm crazy. Instead, watch the first season, BUT SKIP THE MINISERIES. Watch the miniseries after you've finished the first season and are totally and completely hooked. Then move on the season two. And then wait for season three on DVD with me.

Absolutely fucking NOT. The miniseries is totally engrossing and epic. Start with the miniseries. Watch it like a movie. Jumping into Season One without watching the Miniseries first is as sensible as taking stupid pills before a calculus exam.

kazuo · Posts: 39

internisus wrote:

Absolutely fucking NOT. The miniseries is totally engrossing and epic. Start with the miniseries. Watch it like a movie. Jumping into Season One without watching the Miniseries first is as sensible as taking stupid pills before a calculus exam.

+1.

Skipping the miniseries is like starting 'The Godfather' with Part II, then III and then going back to watch the first one.

Are you retarded?

Anyway, BSG is quite possibly the best television program ever created. With the exception of the second half of season 2 (dubbed "Season 2.5"), the entire series is brilliant.

ALL OF IT.

Just don't expect some Star Trek bullshit, cause Star Trek this is not... it's about as Sci-Fi as "Firefly" was.

Nana Komatsu · Posts: 697

108 wrote:

rf wrote:

I'm not too optimistic about an improvement in Japanese pop-culture writing, great as that would be.
. . .
I mean, I watched some Fate/Stay Night with an anime club a week ago. I may be wrong about this, and I'm too lazy to check. . .isn't that series really popular in Japan?

No. If it was really popular in Japan, I'd have some sort of fucking clue what it is, instead of just occasionally seeing its name mentioned on the insertcredit.com front page.

It's really popular with doujinshi artists.

inmatarian · Posts: 338

The writing for BSG is awesome. Set aside the plot going in cool directions, the character dynamics are what this show is about. The first and second seasons showed the evolution of a military tyrant into a loving father. This third season has already shown a inept alcoholic turn into Che Guevera. It's great because the audience isn't assumed to all be 14 to 18 years old.

aderack · Posts: 5018

kazuo wrote:

Just don't expect some Star Trek bullshit, cause Star Trek this is not... it's about as Sci-Fi as "Firefly" was.

Curiously, it's also by the guy who was essentially responsible for the last part of TNG and the part of DS9 after TNG ended.

extralife · Posts: 3316

All you kids going on about BSG and The Wire. How the fuck am I supposed to watch all that shit?

dark steve · Posts: 3002

netflix or good old fashioned piracy

Sub · Posts: 696

Nana Komatsu wrote:

108 wrote:

rf wrote:

I'm not too optimistic about an improvement in Japanese pop-culture writing, great as that would be.
. . .
I mean, I watched some Fate/Stay Night with an anime club a week ago. I may be wrong about this, and I'm too lazy to check. . .isn't that series really popular in Japan?

No. If it was really popular in Japan, I'd have some sort of fucking clue what it is, instead of just occasionally seeing its name mentioned on the insertcredit.com front page.

It's really popular with doujinshi artists.

Fate is massively otaku-popular (and I know a dude who's buying a life-size Saber doll I swear to God I shit you not but i mean at least it's not a Saber realdoll) and that doesn't mean NORMAL people know about it. Otaku-popular is totally different from regular popular.

ModNarco · Posts: 274

FortNinety wrote:

You know... I think I might give this show a shot. Since everyone seems to love it.

There was a BSG moment or two in the new South Park episode. Music and everything.

Perseus · Posts: 72

I decided to give this show a shot after reading this thread and seeing the show recommended on John Walker's blog in the same 5 minutes. The uncanny coincidence was too much to ignore, especially since (or rather 'even though') I had previously written off the show as a "gritty" update of a schlocky old scifi series.

Boy was I dead wrong. This is good stuff. I didn't think scifi tv was allowed to be this well-written. And there's two seasons (three?) more of this? Tell me it stays this good (or even improves?) throughout!

dmauro · Posts: 933

internisus wrote:

dmauro wrote:

I think the fact that I'm not so into sci-fi and I'm very picky about the television I watch, but get really into Battlestar Galactica says a lot about the television show. I could repost the email I wrote to a friend about the series and the things that are great about it (beyond a few excellent actors and solid, believable dialogue), but you'd all probably think I'm crazy. Instead, watch the first season, BUT SKIP THE MINISERIES. Watch the miniseries after you've finished the first season and are totally and completely hooked. Then move on the season two. And then wait for season three on DVD with me.

Absolutely fucking NOT. The miniseries is totally engrossing and epic. Start with the miniseries. Watch it like a movie. Jumping into Season One without watching the Miniseries first is as sensible as taking stupid pills before a calculus exam.

Fort, I trust your ability to discern the truth in this situation if only even by who's making the arguments. I know you'll make the right decision when you start watching the series.

(If you watch the Miniseries first you will think the show is boring and sucks)

Why does the music in Season 2 start to suck all of a sudden around the middle of the season? They tried out some completely different music that was terrible, and then went back to the normal stuff, but occassionaly there will be an episode that has the bad music.

Perseus · Posts: 72

drmauro you are insane. The mini-series is not the least bit boring. I sat down intending to watch ten minutes of it and ended up watching the whole thing in one sitting. And I think space opera shows are pretty boring.

rf · Posts: 114

inmatarian wrote:

This third season has already shown a inept alcoholic turn into Che Guevera.

That was indeed awesome! Unfortunately, it was accompanied, as if through conservation of momentum, by a hilarious trivialization of another major character. They still can fix, and partly have fixed that one, but it was still jarring.

The worst thing about BSG's writing is that the moment-to-moment crises and character dynamics, which are so appealing when you first meet them, start to feel mighty irrelevant on a larger scale, after a while. This was really hit home by the way Season 2 ended. On the other hand, Season 3 itself has been remarkably good at avoiding this feeling, so it all works out.

dmauro · Posts: 933

I have several friends who were completely turned off to the series after watching the mini-series, and it was only later after seeing the episodes of the first season that they realized it's a good show. That's how I watched it, and it seemed pretty obvious to me that the miniseries would be pretty boring, average television if you weren't already invested in the characters. I don't think you lost anything by watching it out of order either.

Lestrade · Posts: 817

My friend lent me the 3-hour mini-series two years ago and I watched it one sitting, addicted. I don't watch TV, so I get the episodes by other means, but I keep up with the series now. It literally is the best television show I've ever watched in any genre.

My wife and I huddle on the couch and often watch three or four episodes at a time; we just can't turn it off. The camera work, the themes, the acting; it's all so inspired and inspiring.

It does what all good drama (sci-fi or otherwise) should do: it makes you think, "What if it was me?"

duckzero · Posts: 244

BSG is the best show on TV. Period. But I have never watched the miniseries, which I have always meant to, but never got around to doing it. One thing I especially like about the show is that is stays pretty current with the news going on in our time. Most people would never associate the words "insurgency" and "good guys" (the BSG folks) together, but it forces the viewer to applaud them for what they are trying to accomplish. Now, the one thing about the show I wished they would put a little more money into is how the robot cylons look.

What do you guys think about it going to NBC?

Mr. Pointy · Posts: 191

ModNarco wrote:

FortNinety wrote:

You know... I think I might give this show a shot. Since everyone seems to love it.

There was a BSG moment or two in the new South Park episode. Music and everything.

Mrs. Garrison can be my Head-Six any day of the week.

aderack · Posts: 5018

duckzero wrote:

What do you guys think about it going to NBC?

I think that it isn't actually happening.

Since... it's not.

inmatarian · Posts: 338

Spoilers

Turn back now.

---

Anyone else catch on tonight's episode how they basically said the Christian right is living in a fantasy world? I mean, accepting that the Cylons are representative of the Monothesistic world, and adding on to it this concept of Projection. Does that mean that they're deliberately ignoring the world around them, and by extention, suggesting that America's conservative core is the same?

Well, I know the answer, but I want to know if anyone else is catching this stuff?

simplicio · Posts: 505

SPOILERS

There was actually a surprisingly keen article in the NYT a week or so ago about BSG's utilization and transcendence of allegory. So I think what we're seeing there is barbed, sure, but remember that at the same time much of the episode focuses on the unity and compassion of the Cylons, while the humans themselves are out generally being awful to each other.

But what a great episode; that they can pull off these action-free pieces so perfectly is just another testament to the quality of the writing. I thought this one was just as captivating as any cliffhanger battle scene in the series. Best show on television, indeed.

EDIT: And the craftsmanship, too! Not just the dialog. The introduction of the basestar brain (what a beautiful creation), cut straight to a passive external shot of the ship, floating in empty space.

Scratchmonkey · Posts: 2229

Lestrade wrote:

The camera work

Which can get a little out of control at times. They seem to have a real love for having the camera spin in place.

duckzero · Posts: 244

aderack wrote:

duckzero wrote:

What do you guys think about it going to NBC?

I think that it isn't actually happening.

Since... it's not.

Last I heard it was official because the ratings of this season have been high enough and that I guess they may be axing a few shows to make room. Also they are showing older episodes on NBC, so I believe it will be on NBC.

http://www.battlestargalacticasite.com/2006/10/bsg_to_nbc_can_it_survive.php

Oh and here's a link to an interesting theory that I think may explain Gaius's behavior a bit more.

http://www.sekimori.com/david/archives/004168.php

aderack · Posts: 5018

Well. For one, that was a rumor that's since been disproved (originating on a notorious site for nonsense). Second, the ratings this season (since the premiere, which was so-so) have actually taken a nose dive -- worst they've ever been, to the point that Sci-Fi is getting paranoid. (Last season, ratings of 1.9-2.0 were making them nervous. Now we're dipping below 1.5.) Third, the series bombed the last time they tried showing it on NBC. So... yeah.

Of course Sci-Fi's ratings in general have been sinking the whole year. Still, hell. This show is damned expensive to produce. If Sci-Fi can't recoup its investment (and ratings tend to go down -- not up -- as a season progresses), it might be in some serious trouble. Which puts that "Caprica" spin-off in an interesting position. There's a little uncertainty right now what's going to happen with that, though it's still moving ahead.

If ratings do sink much lower, the only reason for Sci-Fi to hold onto it will be prestige -- and Sci-Fi doesn't really have a good track record in caring about that stuff (see Farscape). Wrestling gets much higher ratings for much less investment. Even Doctor Who is nearly equalling the ratings for BSG -- and its ratings are worse than in the spring. Difference there is that (relatively speaking) Sci-Fi is barely paying anything for Doctor Who.

On the upshot: at least the show's been really good lately.

EDIT: Actually, to be specific, the ratings for BSG now are the same as the ratings for Doctor Who in the spring -- which were considered "okay" at the time for a cheap import show for which they had no real expectations. Enough, anyway, to pick up the second series. Now give those same ratings to one of the most expensive shows on TV, and... hmm.

For reference, these are the ratings that got Stargate cancelled.

B coma · Posts: 1455

I've seen every episode of BSG up to the first couple episodes of this season. as a person who doesn't have the patience for really long story arcs in a TV series, the whole thing is quite honestly good at drawing people without patience in... it manages IN YOUR FACE and Thoughtful at the same time pretty well, on a really consistent basis.

I was talking to my girlfriend tonight, who has been watching this season, and she says she actually feels it's taking a dip - I asked why and all she would say was that something really hokey happened on board the Cylon ship, and that Guyus did something very out-of-character.

kazuo · Posts: 39

aderack wrote:

Curiously, it's also by the guy who was essentially responsible for the last part of TNG and the part of DS9 after TNG ended.

This is true, however, BSG != Star Trek.

Also, I haven't seen DS9, but from what I understand, its the least 'Star Trek'-ish series of all the "Trek" shows, particularly the portion that Ron D. Moore is responsible for.

I don't care for Star Trek. Its crap.

Anyway, to others that asked, yeah, BSG's quality is consistent with the exception of Season 2.5, where it all goes down the crapper quicker than The USA since the year 2000... but by the end of 2.5, you start to see the light at the end of the tunnel, and after the first episode of Season 3, all is forgiven.

Maybe that'll happen with the USA as well? :P

EDIT: Aderack, is that avatar pic of you? I know a guy who looks very similar to you, except with shorter hair. He is also from the city. lol

internisus · Posts: 961

kazuo wrote:

Aderack, is that avatar pic of you? I know a guy who looks very similar to you, except with shorter hair. He is also from the city. lol

Wow, that's a really great portrait.

ModNarco · Posts: 274

B coma wrote:

I was talking to my girlfriend tonight, who has been watching this season, and she says she actually feels it's taking a dip - I asked why and all she would say was that something really hokey happened on board the Cylon ship, and that Guyus did something very out-of-character.

"Out fo character?" What about how he'll basically do anything to save his skin?

kazuo wrote:

aderack wrote:

Curiously, it's also by the guy who was essentially responsible for the last part of TNG and the part of DS9 after TNG ended.

This is true, however, BSG != Star Trek.

Also, I haven't seen DS9, but from what I understand, its the least 'Star Trek'-ish series of all the "Trek" shows, particularly the portion that Ron D. Moore is responsible for.

I don't care for Star Trek. Its crap.

DS9 was always more political than scientific. No new technology or new races or new planets discovered. From the viewpoint that living/working on the Enterprise was the most exciting ship and had the best crew in all of Star Fleet... Why be anywhere else? What could possibly happen anywhere else that would be as cool or facinating as life on the Enterprise?

DS9 was a station under Federation control trapped between two bitter enemy races. The staff was no one special at first. It was just another Federation station on the edge of the most backwater of galaxies. No new science was being developed or new races explored. But... Eventually the station and crew had greatness thrust upon them. I mean, in a sense, almost every episode has the Enterprise going somewhere and doing something. DS9 was having people come to them and had problems happen to them because of it.

kazuo · Posts: 39

ModNarco wrote:

DS9 was always more political than scientific. No new technology or new races or new planets discovered. From the viewpoint that living/working on the Enterprise was the most exciting ship and had the best crew in all of Star Fleet... Why be anywhere else? What could possibly happen anywhere else that would be as cool or facinating as life on the Enterprise?

snip

Yeah, thats what I've read regarding DS9. It sounds interesting; at some point I may actually get around to checking it out.

The sort of angle that shows like BSG, B5 and DS9 take is the angle that interests me most -- interpersonal drama, politics, etc.

Silly utopian shows set in a geeky scifi setting where nothing of consequence (for the most part) ever occurs is blah.

I take it you've seen most/all of DS9? Do you recommend that I start from the beginning, or just skip ahead to certain story arcs/point(s) in the show?

aderack · Posts: 5018

internisus wrote:

Wow, that's a really great portrait.

It was taken the Internet Way!

I can send you an autographed print, if you like. You've eleven colors of Sharpie to choose amongst!

internisus · Posts: 961

Use a color that contrasts with but does not damage the effect of the sepia tones.

I'll put it on my wall so I can see it as I fall asleep.

finnagain · Posts: 181

I don't understand how the BSG ratings can dip as the season progresses, if just from anecdotal evidence. I've had to force a few people to sit down and watch the show with me, people convinced they'd hate it. They won't miss an episode, now.

Does BSG ever lose any viewers?

Scheduling a show on a Friday night is just an invitation for disaster, I'd think.

In a totally narcissistic and unrelated point, I went to high school with Katee Sackhoff, although she graduated my freshman year. We had a theater class together, oddly enough. I had a big 'ol 14 year old crush on her.

EDIT: Sackhoff plays "Starbuck," in case you didn't know.

Rud13 · Posts: 3277

That is a totally bitching coat.

aderack · Posts: 5018

I know, I can't get it to shut up!

* * *

BSG's ratings went up last week to 1.5, from the previous week's new low of 1.4.

Has it always been broadcast on Fridays?

108 · Posts: 2600

finnagain wrote:

In a totally narcissistic and unrelated point, I went to high school with Katee Sackhoff, although she graduated my freshman year. We had a theater class together, oddly enough. I had a big 'ol 14 year old crush on her.

EDIT: Sackhoff plays "Starbuck," in case you didn't know.

Man!! I would totally buck her star, if you know what I mean.

EDIT: What I mean is, she really gets my Sackh Off.

internisus · Posts: 961

I find her pretty unattractive. Look at those shoulders!

108 · Posts: 2600

internisus wrote:

Look at those shoulders!

Oh, I've looked at them plenty!! And I'll look at them plenty more!!

klikbeep · Posts: 485

108 wrote:

internisus wrote:

Look at those shoulders!

Oh, I've looked at them plenty!! And I'll look at them plenty more!!

You'd crash sausage-first into a wall that had "WOMAN!!" spray-painted on it.

internisus · Posts: 961

Considering his state of excitement, that's a horrific pain-image.

finnagain · Posts: 181

As I remember it, her shoulders weren't really that broad 8 years ago; or at least, she hadn't bulked up to play a muscular female space pilot with all sorts of authority issues etc.

I can't find my yearbook for '98, unfortunately -- I'll ask around former classmates to see if I my memory jives with the photography.

finnagain · Posts: 181

As I remember it, her shoulders weren't really that broad 8 years ago; or at least, she hadn't bulked up to play a muscular female space pilot with all sorts of authority issues etc.

I can't find my yearbook for '98, unfortunately -- I'll ask around former classmates to see if I my memory jives with the photography.

internisus · Posts: 961

I bet her face was pretty when she was a high school aged girl. She looks like a mutant to me now.

I like her as an actress; don't get me wrong. Her confession to Adama in episode 1x5 is incredible.