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DeusJester · Posts: 1388

Welp, this just in as of 5AM EST:

Saddam Hussein sentence to hang by the neck until dead.

I'm not an enormously big fan of the death penalty to say the least. Rather they just chuck him in a concrete box and let him rot, but meh. I'm not about to get all choked up over it either. As big as the flood of bullshit concerning the entire invasion of Iraq was, it doesn't exactly mean anyone's going to feel sorry for the guy.

zebadayus · Posts: 672

Can they also be slowly lowering him into a vat of acid, please?

ReroRero · Posts: 2148

It should be a vat of pirahnas.

Pirahnas are vastly underrated as a method of execution.

James · Posts: 1735

Killing him is just about the best thing that could happen for him right now. Humble the guy with life imprisonment and don't give his supporters a martyr.

Zeb I hinted at this in the other thread but dude, you have some FUCKED UP crime and punishment issues.

Nana Komatsu · Posts: 697

Strap him to a table with a laser slowing moving towars his crotch.

Lick Meth · Posts: 154

James wrote:

Killing him is just about the best thing that could happen for him right now. Humble the guy with life imprisonment and don't give his supporters a martyr.

Zeb I hinted at this in the other thread but dude, you have some FUCKED UP crime and punishment issues.

But, on the other hand, keeping him locked up could then be a sort of bargaining tool for the crazy Die Hard-terrorist type (who occasionally appear to hijack a plane for a bit, and then do nothing most of the time).

Still, it's nice to see them using such a modern and civil form of punishment, eh?

winkerwanker · Posts: 2414

we did the same thing...

to the nazis

zebadayus · Posts: 672

I'm going to pull a Vinculum Gate and say c'mon James, I was just kidding around.

It is interesting that they're choosing to... to hang him. I wonder if they're going to use wooden gallows, or what? Is there going to be a guy with a hood over his face that pulls the lever? Will it be broadcast?

And I wonder if they're going to allow him some sort of last words or speech before he's executed.

GcDiaz · Posts: 1057

I'd rather they did to him what he did to his victims. Cutting off hands, breaking arms with 2x4's, all that, and in public too. At the very least draw and quarter him.

Getting medieval itt.

It *will* give his supporters a memory to fight in remembrance of.

Maztorre · Posts: 1175

It is exactly that kind of attitude that ensured that you let your government run rampant through both your constitution and the country of Iraq in the first place. HOW DARE THEY DO THIS TO US SHOW THEM AMERICA WON'T BE MESSED WITH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Killing or torturing him publically creates a martyr for others to rally behind.

GcDiaz · Posts: 1057

Maztorre wrote:

It is exactly that kind of attitude that ensured that you let your government run rampant through both your constitution and the country of Iraq in the first place.

Are you speaking to me?

TOLLMASTER · Posts: 1977

I've always liked the humiliation bit better. You know, something simple, like dressing him in a pink prison uniform. Hard to rally behind a guy wearing pink, and even if they do--well, if you see a bunch of Iraqi men walking around in pink, then urban combat just got a bit easier, yes?

EDIT: elegant gothic lolita uniform

Mr. Business · Posts: 1530

I'd say that I wonder how the appeal will go, but there's really nothing to wonder about.

Sync-Swim · Posts: 634

Feed him caviar and scotch until he dies

Oh wait that was Chalabi.

Drem · Posts: 429

TOLLMASTER wrote:

I've always liked the humiliation bit better. You know, something simple, like dressing him in a pink prison uniform. Hard to rally behind a guy wearing pink, and even if they do--well, if you see a bunch of Iraqi men walking around in pink, then urban combat just got a bit easier, yes?

EDIT: elegant gothic lolita uniform

Have you read 1984? This does not work. You must convert them to your own side before you get rid of them.

GcDiaz · Posts: 1057

Drem wrote:

TOLLMASTER wrote:

I've always liked the humiliation bit better. You know, something simple, like dressing him in a pink prison uniform. Hard to rally behind a guy wearing pink, and even if they do--well, if you see a bunch of Iraqi men walking around in pink, then urban combat just got a bit easier, yes?

EDIT: elegant gothic lolita uniform

Have you read 1984? This does not work. You must convert them to your own side before you get rid of them.

Exactly! Use them to subvert and denounce their own former ideals, take the wind right out of their supporter's sails, if it ever was there. After that, when they're of no use and no one cares, make them disappear. It's all about group morale; we all want to be PART OF SOMETHING, so when that something is belittled and ridiculed by the very people you'd have willingly fought and died for, well then the shit just ain't worth it. Compare that with having your heroes killed for their beliefs.

FocusRambo · Posts: 829

Eat so much pork until he just simply CANNOT and then feed him more pork?

ReroRero · Posts: 2148

Dudes, pirahnas. Think about it.

softlogic · Posts: 140

We should put him inside one of those space prisms like they have in comic books.

Speaking seriously though, I'm pretty appalled that people (even people like Hussein) can still get the death served to them via hanging. I'm not big on death penalties to begin with, but the more midieval and backwards the method of execution, the more midieval and backward the executioner is going to look...which in addition to what has already been said in this thread re: martyrdom, does not bode well for the Iraq or the US.

FUCKING FUCK why do stupid people get to make all the important decisions?

GcDiaz · Posts: 1057

softlogic wrote:

FUCKING FUCK why do stupid people get to make all the important decisions?

Because "smart" people are too lazy to do the work, so we vote the idiots in to do it for us.

winkerwanker · Posts: 2414

Yeah i really should have turned up on polling day in Baghdad.

brainiac · Posts: 941

didn't they already punish him enough by giving pics of him in his underwear to the new york post and the sun. totally media-molested by rupert murdoch. come on guys i'm totally right, okay.

aderack · Posts: 5018

Gom-orrah, man!

EndlessChris · Posts: 431

This is stupid - just put the guy in prison. Does hanging him prove anything?

I feel too much "Yeah! We're gonna get that fucker!" bravado behind this.

artifact · Posts: 86

The Hague would have been a really good idea.

GcDiaz · Posts: 1057

EndlessChris wrote:

This is stupid - just put the guy in prison. Does hanging him prove anything?

I feel too much "Yeah! We're gonna get that fucker!" bravado behind this.

Well just remember, Saddam wasn't some wayward soul who took a wrong turn somewhere. He really was the cruel, heartless, mean motherfucker dictator he was made out to be. I don't doubt that were he set free in any Shiite neighborhood, he would not survive the night.

!= · Posts: 163

By killing him now, they are basically killing any hope of judging him and his friends for all the other crimes they have committed. This means no reparation for the victims, and even more years of conflict between communities in iraq.

By refusing to do the whole job, they are achieving the balkanization of iraq, and of the whole region. Maybe that was the whole plan: make a painful thorn just at the foot of iran and saudi arabia.

Lick Meth · Posts: 154

GcDiaz wrote:

Well just remember, Saddam wasn't some wayward soul who took a wrong turn somewhere. He really was the cruel, heartless, mean motherfucker dictator he was made out to be. I don't doubt that were he set free in any Shiite neighborhood, he would not survive the night.

Totally. And who trained him up and put him there?

Oh wait, shit.

Toto · Posts: 498

lick meth did you just go there???

Also I think this is a bit stupid. Shameless old man, should have killed himself, he knew he was going to get the death penalty anyway.

showka · Posts: 994

!= wrote:

By killing him now, they are basically killing any hope of judging him and his friends for all the other crimes they have committed. This means no reparation for the victims, and even more years of conflict between communities in iraq.

By refusing to do the whole job, they are achieving the balkanization of iraq, and of the whole region. Maybe that was the whole plan: make a painful thorn just at the foot of iran and saudi arabia.

Listen, Mr. Not Equals, I really like to kill people, especially when I can feel like its justified or I'm being a hero vicariously by doing it. You don't, that's ok, everyone's opinion is valid. But I as GcDiaz keeps commenting, we have a lot of great reasons to kill Saddam Hussein. Not letting us kill him for some pussy reason like reparations to the victims, that's just gay. He was a bad guy, a guy you could really feel good about yourself for hating. Those types of dictators are in short supply, especially ones who we actually have access to and can kill. Quit being a dick and ruining this for everyone who already has the lube out.

dhex · Posts: 2963

there's still a whole 'nother set of charges to go through.

what's the over/under on a suicide?

you gotta all admit, though, that pan-arabism was a great launchpad for fashions - the all white suits, the move towards those bismark style 101 medal uniforms. good stuff.

Captain EO · Posts: 371

GcDiaz wrote:

EndlessChris wrote:

This is stupid - just put the guy in prison. Does hanging him prove anything?

I feel too much "Yeah! We're gonna get that fucker!" bravado behind this.

Well just remember, Saddam wasn't some wayward soul who took a wrong turn somewhere. He really was the cruel, heartless, mean motherfucker dictator he was made out to be. I don't doubt that were he set free in any Shiite neighborhood, he would not survive the night.

That's nice.

I remember reading in Harper's there was a US Army memo from the 40s about what to do with Hitler after the war. They thought not killing him was the best idea. I doubt there would be as many neo-nazis if we had captured him and stuck him in a decent prison.

I doubt Saddam's death will rally many people, but it will rally more than if we imprisoned him.

GcDiaz · Posts: 1057

Captain EO wrote:

why?

Fair is fair, is why. But fine, lacking the intestinal fortitude, just let the relatives of his victims have a go at him. Doesn't get more "just" than that.

Showka, that is not at all what I implied. Read it again if you must.

dhex · Posts: 2963

Sawtooth · Posts: 2350

there's no way to treat him "fairly." a person can only die once, you know.

He's an old man, let him rot in a small gray cell for the next 10-15 years. I'm somewhat attracted to the death penalty in theory, but the way it's been used and how unevenly it's been carried out make me reject it on principle except in special cases. Hussein would be that special case, except for the fact that his whole case has just been a circus and I'd rather see him put away so I can forget about him rather than see another spectacle.

showka · Posts: 994

Just a thought... why is this happening now of all times?

Not that I think it will help or hurt anyone, but on the face of it the timing still seems suspect.

inmatarian · Posts: 338

I wonder if they'll televise it, or put it on pay-per-view.

winkerwanker · Posts: 2414

dhex wrote:

there's still a whole 'nother set of charges to go through.

what's the over/under on a suicide?

you gotta all admit, though, that pan-arabism was a great launchpad for fashions - the all white suits, the move towards those bismark style 101 medal uniforms. good stuff.

It's nothing without the proper helemt and tache.

Captain EO · Posts: 371

GcDiaz wrote:

Captain EO wrote:

why?

Fair is fair, is why. But fine, lacking the intestinal fortitude, just let the relatives of his victims have a go at him. Doesn't get more "just" than that.

I don't think there's enough Saddam to go around in such a scenario.

If I had it my way, I'd make him spend the rest of his life doing some back-breaking sisyphean task that would benefit Iraq. Just beating or killing him doesn't really do anyone good. You can't bring back the dead or re-attach hands that were chopped off years ago.

dhex · Posts: 2963

well, their sense of color and design was flawless. i can't blame them for wanting to ape the hottest look of the 20th century.

one of the most interesting things about the nazis is that their first order of business was to ban secret societies and basically crush all of the wacky occult orders that were running around at the time (the german branch of the oto, any non nazis connected with the vril folk, etc) if only because they didn't want the competition. how much the uppers actually believed in the esoteric nationalism of the armanists and the leftovers of the thule society, i find it hard to tell. and not all that important, though it adds an interesting sheen to things and gives conspiracy types a reason to not blow their brains out for the next five minutes or so.

and hey, america is a freemasonic conspiracy of sorts, so these things just tend to happen. if history is any judge the weimar republic of the 90s will be replaced by a mystical fascist brotherhood, which would be just in time for hillary '08. so i'd say we're on schedule. hillary as mahadevi! mahatara! kill for kali!

FortNinety · Posts: 4591

Yeah, Nazi fashion sense was the best thing to ever happen to bad guys.

Kazu · Posts: 894

"But, Hitler built the autobahn!"

sadly, my grandma still thinks that way, although she admits that them Nazis where cruel etc. etc. But!
Freaky to see how effective their plans to brainwash people were.

dhex · Posts: 2963

brainwashing presumes that nationalism and anti-semitism weren't actual characteristics of the german people before the rise of the nazis.

mr. newbie · Posts: 37

dangit i can't remember exactly who but you all love the nazi uniforms for a reason- they were designed by a really famous fashion designer. iirc it was channelle or something. basicly she agreed to make the clothes and wasn't shot.

i could be wrong though.

Pijaibros · Posts: 968

It was Hugo Boss, dude

Psiga · Posts: 3990

It would be grimly amusing to have had a Chanel / Boss fashion mashup at gunpoint in Nazi Germany. (Or occupied France, or wherever.)

mr. newbie · Posts: 37

hugo? really?

Psiga · Posts: 3990

Hugo Boss manufactured the uniforms with slave labor, apparently. I'm not sure who designed the uniforms in the first place, hence my Chanel / Boss quip (though the subtext was not stated clearly enough).