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extralife



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:34 pm    Post subject: Voting time

So what kinds of things do you guys have on your ballot this year? We have both We Hate The Homos and We Kind of Like the Homos initiatives, an amendment to legalize possesion of an ounce or less of weed, one to raise the minimum wage and a few other things I don't feel like explaining. Give me an overview of your state, IC. (no foreigners allowed i t t)
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Karoshi



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject:

For the third election I've been able to vote in since registering as a Republican I'm voting Democrat.
Again.
For the third time.
I don't really support my party all that much.
I'm guess I'm more of a reformist.
Or maybe a conservative populist.
I don't know.
I want Ross Perot back.
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LegatoB



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject:

Florida's voting on a bunch of state amendments, including one which requires a 50% majority vote to raise the required vote level for an amendment to 60%. Apparently the legislature is scared that if the public keep forcing their own measures onto the ballots (as we do) and then voting them in (as we tend to do), they might actually have to do something. Or at least spend the next two years trying to convince us that no, we didn't really want light rail or any of the other measures we've passed this way.

Some other highlights - amendments re: more tax cuts for rich homeowners, veterans, and re: eminent domain. Oh, and Jeb Bush is leaving office, so we get to pick someone to replace the First Brother as Governer. Joy.
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Sync-Swim



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject:

I took the commie option by voting yes to a further cigarette tax, funding for alternative energy source research (ha), Parcel tax to fund education, Bonds for clean water, flood control, state and local park improvements, etc. I voted Hell Fucking No to props in favor of requiring parental notification of abortions performed on teens under 18 and a completely batshit insane prop mandating all registered sex offenders in California wear motion tracking real-time GPS leg collars for life, this makes me a sick monster and enemy of the Concerned Moms vote for life.

I'm registered for Permanent Absentee status.
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Psiga



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:42 pm    Post subject:

We've got "ban cigs in public" and "ban cigs in restaurants unless they have a gaming license" as well as "legalize pot but ban pot advertising and increase under-influence penalties."

I'm not aware of the others. Probably some stuff about homos.
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LW Joestar



Posts: 1358

PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject:

I am voting purely on the net neutrality issue. Nothing else means anything to me. I realized this the other day.

Maybe if something about file sharing comes up, also.

...

I regularly vote yes on that "required parental notification/consent" thing just because I actually want them to suffer. Seriously.
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Psiga



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:36 pm    Post subject:

Oh lord, we actually get some choices in the net neutrality issue? I thought it was all being snuck under our noses by lobbyists and such.
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:40 pm    Post subject:

I don't think it's an actual issue on the ballot, but there are sites that tell by state who's for neutrality and who's for money.
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dhex



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject:

good thing anime doesn't destroy your soul, huh?

there are no cool ballot measures in new york. i'm jealous of you guys. just that scary fuck elliot spitzer, hilarity and alan hevesi begging for everyone's forgiveness like a whipped dog. (if you're comptroller, it's probably not a bright idea to use the city's private cars to ferry your wife around, and then lie about it)
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Pijaibros



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject:

Ours is pretty lame compared to you guys.

Here in Ohio we have to choose between banning smoking, allowing gambling (masked as a scholarship fund for the childrens), and hiking the min. wage about a buck and a half.

If that minimum wage proposal passes (and of course it will), I better be getting a raise to compensate for the loss of buying power I will experience next year.

Also all the candidates are for the enforcemnt of blocking me from my internet pornos, for the children's sake of course.

Fuck them
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TOLLMASTER



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject:

LegatoB wrote:
Florida's voting on a bunch of state amendments, including one which requires a 50% majority vote to raise the required vote level for an amendment to 60%. Apparently the legislature is scared that if the public keep forcing their own measures onto the ballots (as we do) and then voting them in (as we tend to do), they might actually have to do something. Or at least spend the next two years trying to convince us that no, we didn't really want light rail or any of the other measures we've passed this way.


A fear years back we voted to lower the income tax, but the State Reps just froze it there in place, so...nothing happened. Wasn't really a big deal because the state was strapped for money after that GOVERNMENT SURPLUS SPEND SPEND SPEND dealie a while back, but the people outside Boston (i.e. nearly everyone in Mass) kind of want to know why taxes have stayed the same, but the schools are getting funding removed while billions and billions are going into the Big Dig. I mean, sure, traffic might be difficult in Boston, but making an underground highway only works in like Akira or some shit.

They're trying to make it so that they can sell liquor in grocery and convenience stores that aren't package stores. This is a horrible idea, because all the places that sell alcohol mainly sell alcohol. As much as I would love to see my father go broke, it's not quite fair to have people start family businesses based upon a certain principle and then change the rules in a matter of weeks. And when there has been more and more alcohol-induced problems with the town considering decreasing the number of alcohol licenses around, I don't like the idea of just about tripling the number of places that carry alcohol.

I was originally going to vote for the Democratic governor, but I've said to hell with that because he's probably going to win anyway. I'm voting Green-Rainbow, because...why not? Healy, the female candidate (Republican), has run the most offensive campaign ever, running ads that said that Deval (the Democrat) sympathizes with rapists to a commercial of a black man mugging a woman on a street corner. He gets this heat because he once paid for a DNA test to see if a convicted rapist was actually guilty. And Deval himself worked in some pretty posh corporate jobs, though he did quit when they did things he disagreed with in foreign territory. Still enough for me not to trust him completely.

I know the Green-Rainbow party is a joke, but it's them who are fighting the forces who want to stop gay marriage, so I'm voting for them just to say I support what they're doing, mostly. They also tend more toward the liberal side of economics, anyway, which is rare in a Democrat since Bill Clinton. You're either a pro-business Democrat, or a Communist, it seems.
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Sawtooth



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject:

i get to vote on gay marriage tomorrow! I think I'll vote not to ban it.
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject:

dhex wrote:
good thing anime doesn't destroy your soul, huh?


I've only voted twice!

It didn't really hold my interest. The characters were paper-thin and the plot was basically non-existant. I give it a 6.43
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108



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject:

I can't vote from here!!

Which is all the same, I guess.

The day there's a "KILL ALL THE HAITIANS: YES / NO" selection on the ballot, I'll return to America for a whole binge-eating week to celebrate my undeserved rights.
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Scratchmonkey



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject:

Sync-Swim wrote:
I took the commie option by voting yes to a further cigarette tax, funding for alternative energy source research (ha), Parcel tax to fund education, Bonds for clean water, flood control, state and local park improvements, etc. I voted Hell Fucking No to props in favor of requiring parental notification of abortions performed on teens under 18 and a completely batshit insane prop mandating all registered sex offenders in California wear motion tracking real-time GPS leg collars for life, this makes me a sick monster and enemy of the Concerned Moms vote for life.


This is also pretty much how it's gonna be for me, especially since we're in the same basic area, except I'll actually be going to a local church and scoring some free coffee and maybe half a doughnut in the process, as well as watch them try and figure out if they should have me frisked due to my on-a-whim registration under Natural Law. I wish I knew more about the judges who are up for election; there doesn't really seem to be any source for information on their past decisions, stances on certain issues, etc.
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extralife



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject:

LW Joestar wrote:
I regularly vote yes on that "required parental notification/consent" thing just because I actually want them to suffer. Seriously.


?

Teen girls that have sex (note: all of them) should be punished for getting pregnant when the national policy on sex and sex education is Don't Ask Don't Tell? Even if they're raped? Or the dipshit dudes refuse to wear condoms because...well, they're sixteen year old guys? I really fail to see the reasoning behind that one.

In maybe related news, I forgot to mention that there's also an amendment to restrict judges to term limits. You know, just so we can politicize the courts even further.
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:52 pm    Post subject:

extralife wrote:
LW Joestar wrote:
I regularly vote yes on that "required parental notification/consent" thing just because I actually want them to suffer. Seriously.


?

Teen girls that have sex (note: all of them) should be punished for getting pregnant when the national policy on sex and sex education is Don't Ask Don't Tell? Even if they're raped? Or the dipshit dudes refuse to wear condoms because...well, they're sixteen year old guys? I really fail to see the reasoning behind that one.


...something like that!

You're pretty naive if you think 98% of teen pregnancies aren't due to stupid irresponsibility and lack of self-control. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions.


...oh, who am I kidding. I really do just genuinely want people to suffer! It makes me feel all fuzzy inside.
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Sawtooth



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject:

LW Joestar wrote:
...oh, who am I kidding. I really do just genuinely want people to suffer! It makes me feel all fuzzy inside.
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Pijaibros



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject:

LW Joestar wrote:
...oh, who am I kidding. I really do just genuinely want people to suffer! It makes me feel all fuzzy inside.


This is why I vote to keep smoking in restaurants legal. Fuck those self righteous bastards telling me where and when I can smoke. Even trying to set limits on where I can smoke OUTSIDE.

I'll blow it right on their kids smelly faces, the smug jerks. The hell are they thinking, bringing kids into a bar for anyway?
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject:

Pijaibros wrote:
LW Joestar wrote:
...oh, who am I kidding. I really do just genuinely want people to suffer! It makes me feel all fuzzy inside.


This is why I vote to keep smoking in restaurants legal. Fuck those self righteous bastards telling me where and when I can smoke. Even trying to set limits on where I can smoke OUTSIDE.

I'll blow it right on their kids smelly faces, the smug jerks. The hell are they thinking, bringing kids into a bar for anyway?


what if they were allergic and died

I mean you'd probably get charged with assault and go to jail, and then you'd feel bad because you're in jail
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extralife



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:13 am    Post subject:

LW Joestar wrote:
You're pretty naive if you think 98% of teen pregnancies aren't due to stupid irresponsibility and lack of self-control. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions.


They're kids. They're learning how to be responsible; how to have self control. The act of getting pregnant is already probably traumatizing them, and the abortion itself is probably going to scar them. Should they talk to their parents? Maybe. It depends on the relationship, and the maturity of both parties. I'm pretty sure those are things the government has no fucking business attempting to assume.

And that's the rub. These kinds of laws don't exist to help the kid or the parent. They exist to promote the agenda of people that aren't remotely tied to the situation at hand. People removed from reality. And you know what most of them do if they find out their daughter is pregnant? They either disown her, or force her to have an abortion (even though they hate abortions and think they shouldn't exist!) and completely destroy the relationship between them and their kid for the next decade. The people that want this law to exist are the reason it shouldn't.

Also, it takes two teens to have a teen pregancy, and one of those teens doesn't have to deal with the consequences. That isn't fair, so we might as well help out the one that does, rather than punish her.

(addendum:"responsibility" and "self control" pretty much assume freedom of choice. An argument for one is an argument for the other)
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:01 am    Post subject:

extralife wrote:
The act of getting pregnant is already probably traumatizing them, and the abortion itself is probably going to scar them.


Right. I know. I'm just saying, "why stop there?"

extralife wrote:
..And you know what most of them do if they find out their daughter is pregnant? They either disown her, or force her to have an abortion (even though they hate abortions and think they shouldn't exist!) and completely destroy the relationship between them and their kid for the next decade.


Exactly, yeah. I am trying to maximize the profits, here.

extralife wrote:
Also, it takes two teens to have a teen pregancy, and one of those teens doesn't have to deal with the consequences. That isn't fair, so we might as well help out the one that does, rather than punish her.


It takes two, but only the one who has nothing to lose is responsible? Riiiight...
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extralife



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject:

LW Joestar wrote:
extralife wrote:
Also, it takes two teens to have a teen pregancy, and one of those teens doesn't have to deal with the consequences. That isn't fair, so we might as well help out the one that does, rather than punish her.


It takes two, but only the one who has nothing to lose is responsible? Riiiight...


They are both responsible. Which is why it isn't all that fair that the guy doesn't have to worry about the consequences. That's my point.
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extralife



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:10 am    Post subject:

I mean look, I know you think sex is evil and teenagers should die, but you're basically agreeing with most of my points. So...yeah.
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finnagain



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:18 am    Post subject:

Oregon has a litany of "AMENDS CONSTITUTION" laws on the ballot this election. I'm usually pretty leery of voting for an amendment to the constitution -- and since we're one of the states that already banned gay marriage, legalized medicinal marijuana, banned public smoking, and enacted urban-growth restrictions -- issues worth amending in a state constitution, for better or worse -- none of the amendments seem like very good ideas to me.

I did vote to maintain countywide library services, although that measure seems doomed to fail here. Which is a shame because I use EBSCO a lot. That'd be the first thing to go.
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dmauro



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:50 am    Post subject:

I would like to nominate Joestar as scariest monster on the forums.
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject:

These kinds of laws don't exist to help the kid or the parent.


well, if you think abortion is murder, then clearly it exists to prevent the kid from being a murderer. and the other child from being murdered.

hence the need for peer led sex education/abstinence programming, et al.
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:44 am    Post subject:

extralife wrote:
I mean look, I know you think sex is evil

Uh... No? I'm just not interested in it, and I don't like it when people trivialize it.

extralife wrote:
and teenagers should die

Yeah, and I also like the left half of oreos.

extralife wrote:
but you're basically agreeing with most of my points.

No. No, I'm really not.
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:47 am    Post subject:

I'm just not interested in it, and I don't like it when people trivialize it.


if you're not interested, why do you care?

or is this a ted haggard kinda thing?
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showka



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:35 am    Post subject:

dmauro wrote:
I would like to nominate Joestar as scariest monster on the forums.

I second this nomination.

Unlike Joestar, I am very interested in sex and feel that women should feel in complete control of their bodies, or at least be under the illusion that they are in control, as it will losen them up enough that they'll be more willing to engage in sexual activities, and perhaps even more willing to climax? That could only make the world a better place.

I also think the majority of unintended pregnancies are the guys fault, and the vast majority the fault of both. Even though they get a lot of media attentinon, rare is the ho that tells some dude she's on BC and isn't or some shit like that. Even so, who cares? I think men should be punished for their actions the way Joestar thinks women should be punished for having sex (???). In this case, super fanatical fundamentalist Christian College Republicans who subscribe to Maxim and watch porn all day and then don't want to use a condom while they're banging some slut they met at a Soriety can feel the guilt that they provided the seed that led to an abortion to happen, and that guilt will be their punishment for having sex with a girl they didn't know well enough to coerce into bringing new life into the world. Ha ha, I'm just kidding. College Republicans feel no guilt or shame about anything!
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:45 am    Post subject:

strawmen of the world unite! you have only yourselves to gain!

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the vinculum gate



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:16 am    Post subject:

update: turned away from polls because of registration issues and told that my provisionary ballot 'will just be thrown out anyway'

america america land of the free
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:20 am    Post subject:

what kind of registration issues?

also, someone tossed me the iowa political markets links:

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_House06_jpg.cfm

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_senate06.cfm
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the vinculum gate



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:21 am    Post subject:

was mislead at some point that you could register at polls in this area.

i'm registered, just not in this district.
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject:

dhex wrote:
I'm just not interested in it, and I don't like it when people trivialize it.


if you're not interested, why do you care?

or is this a ted haggard kinda thing?


I'm not interested in doing it myself, doesn't mean I can't feel that it shouldn't be cheapened. It's like (well, it's the opposite, but the principle is the same) how even though I know I'll never be in a gunfight, I still like guns and think they are totally awesome, and am considering taking a gunsmithing class.

Either way, that's actually got nothing to do with the abortion thing.
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the vinculum gate



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:26 am    Post subject:

lw joestar i want to start more drama in this thread because i am angry at the US gov't right now

would you like to be my opponent
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winkerwanker



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject:

the vinculum gate wrote:
was mislead at some point that you could register at polls in this area.

i'm registered, just not in this district.
i didn't know that you were black vinc
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the vinculum gate



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject:

winkerwanker wrote:
the vinculum gate wrote:
was mislead at some point that you could register at polls in this area.

i'm registered, just not in this district.
i didn't know that you were black vinc


well i'm a democrat so it's the same thing
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:46 am    Post subject:

I'm not interested in doing it myself, doesn't mean I can't feel that it shouldn't be cheapened. It's like (well, it's the opposite, but the principle is the same) how even though I know I'll never be in a gunfight, I still like guns and think they are totally awesome, and am considering taking a gunsmithing class.


except the principle isn't the same - you actually have some involvement with firearms.

abortion "discussions" always have a delightfully vindictive quality about them. in that sense they're very much like american arguments about self-defense and firearms. perhaps because in the first instance it is a difference of definition of "being" that is rationalized out as slavery/misogyny by each general side, whereas the second instance is more easily understood as a combination of fears.
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Sync-Swim



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject:

Vinculum got gerrymandered!

That's what you get for listen to all the darkie music, boy
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:58 am    Post subject:

dhex wrote:
I'm not interested in doing it myself, doesn't mean I can't feel that it shouldn't be cheapened. It's like (well, it's the opposite, but the principle is the same) how even though I know I'll never be in a gunfight, I still like guns and think they are totally awesome, and am considering taking a gunsmithing class.


except the principle isn't the same - you actually have some involvement with firearms.

abortion "discussions" always have a delightfully vindictive quality about them. in that sense they're very much like american arguments about self-defense and firearms. perhaps because in the first instance it is a difference of definition of "being" that is rationalized out as slavery/misogyny by each general side, whereas the second instance is more easily understood as a combination of fears.


My point was that you don't have to be involved in something to feel a way about it.

Just because I don't want to have sex doesn't mean I can't have opinions about it, and just because I totally like guns doesn't mean I think I'm going to be duking it out with Wild Bill Hickok anytime soon.
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:09 am    Post subject:

anime destroys mind, body and soul.
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winkerwanker



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject:

Yes.

Yes it does.
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject:

dhex wrote:
anime destroys mind, body and soul.


Yay scapegoats!

Why can't you just accept that I geniunely hate people and want them to suffer.
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:23 am    Post subject:

joe, you're an anime nerd. you want things to suffer in the abstract because the real world doesn't have enough robots or pedophiles in it.

besides, if you liked suffering that much you'd be in favor of late term abortions. forced late term abortions, actually, with no anesthetic. you'd be cheering on the janjaweed or maybe become a cop in a real shitty part of town where your hate and desire to help push forth the cause of wanton suffering could be indulged regularly for years until you go a little too far.

you know about as much about "people" as i do about "anime"
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject:

dhex wrote:
joe, you're an anime nerd. you want things to suffer in the abstract because the real world doesn't have enough robots or pedophiles in it.

besides, if you liked suffering that much you'd be in favor of late term abortions. forced late term abortions, actually, with no anesthetic. you'd be cheering on the janjaweed or maybe become a cop in a real shitty part of town where your hate and desire to help push forth the cause of wanton suffering could be indulged regularly for years until you go a little too far.

you know about as much about "people" as i do about "anime"


I do occasionally state that I support 32nd trimester abortions.

Also, again, interest in something does not require action in that field, I'm not sure why you can't understand this. It's a pretty simple concept!
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Scratchmonkey



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:38 am    Post subject:

Watch out folks, he's wacky! He's challenging my preconcieved norms!

Oh, and I voted. They didn't have coffee or doughnuts this year. Jerks.
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:41 am    Post subject:

I do occasionally state that I support 32nd trimester abortions.


bah, you're an armchair abortionist.

so how do you balance the feminizing effects of anime with a theoretically (if comically shallow) aggressive misanthropic persona? or is it an attempt to keep your junk from shrivelling up and retreating back into your body from too many childrens' cartoons?
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LW Joestar



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:55 am    Post subject:

Bob plays piano and while I don't actually know a single thing about the piano, I know that he disagrees with me on whether the Chiefs TOTALLY ROCK, therefore playing the piano makes people into poor judges of sports teams.
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Scratchmonkey



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:59 am    Post subject:

Well, if we have plenty of other evidence that Bob is developmentally disabled, and everybody else we've met who plays the piano is also developmentally disabled, wouldn't you start to wonder what's going on with that piano?
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