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Toups the Elder
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 Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: DEMOCRATS WIN HOUSE !!111!one |
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The democrats won the house. I hate them but at least this will put the brakes on the republicans who were seriously creeping me out with their gigantic police state thing they have going on.
Discuss the FUTURE. |
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Mister Toups
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| Free health care for all! |
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winkerwanker
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Welcome, to 1946! |
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Psiga
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: Re: DEMOCRATS WIN HOUSE !!111!one |
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Toups the Elder wrote:
The democrats won the house. I hate them but at least this will put the brakes on the republicans who were seriously creeping me out with their gigantic police state thing they have going on.
Discuss the FUTURE.
What more is there to discuss that you didn't say succinctly right there? |
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Ethoscapade
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:43 am Post subject: |
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i don't know why but i feel like something really, really good is going to happen if they get the senate, too
and i mean far be it from me to have any special affection for the democratic party, but given the alternative.. !! |
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stotelheim
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| If, by saying that you think something really good is going to happen, you mean that something bad isn't going to happen, then I think you're on to something. |
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showka
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: |
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I think actual good things will happen beyond the agenda obstruction that I hope Nancy Pelosi has the spine to go through with. For example, think of Iraq. It was already had a god-forsaken, shitty idea, but there was zero oversight for anything involved with Iraq. With the Democrats in the House, they can at least look into this shit. If they get the Senate, things will be much better.
It'll be nice to see Bush vetoing all those bills... I'm sure he's really unhappy that he'll have to actually negotiate with another branch of government. |
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Axelay
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: |
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stotelheim wrote:
If, by saying that you think something really good is going to happen, you mean that something bad isn't going to happen, then I think you're on to something.
Like...
Infinite quagmire in Iraq?
Ground war with Iran?
Serious threat of unlocking a Nuclear pandora?
Less child molestors/wife stranglers/people who play and sleep with dead fetuses or think the rapture is coming, in office?
Now if I had to make a wishlist... national health care, living wage laws --
--No wait, just get start with getting rid of these goddamn electronic voting machines and the electoral college, making it much harder to steal an election, and letting everyone's vote count equally, because the majority of the US didn't sign on for the out of control insanity of the past 6 years. |
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dhex
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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well no, with 30 to 40% of the population not voting no one has a majority. one wackadoodle third of the country versus another.
seriously dudes check out preferential balloting. it's totally hot. |
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simplicio
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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showka wrote:
It'll be nice to see Bush vetoing all those bills... I'm sure he's really unhappy that he'll have to actually negotiate with another branch of government.
With the amount of signing statements Bush has already used to circumvent his own congress, I don't know how much negotiation I actually expect to see. |
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finnagain
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: |
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dhex wrote:
well no, with 30 to 40% of the population not voting no one has a majority. one wackadoodle third of the country versus another.
seriously dudes check out preferential balloting. it's totally hot.
This may be the first time I've ever agreed with a libertarian entirely. |
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dhex
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: |
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oh, so...can i interest you in this ferret?
WHAT ABOUT THESE GOLD LIBERTY DOLLARS REAL GOLD NOT SOME MADE UP FEDERAL RESERVE CURREN--OH GOD I WENT TOO FAST I'M SORRY THIS IS AWKWARD call me please.
edit: on a more serious note, aren't the ballot measures against gay marriage (and any kind of non state-recognized partnership in many of the wordings like virginia's) a real good argument against democracy in all things? |
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Axelay
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:14 am Post subject: |
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dhex wrote:
well no, with 30 to 40% of the population not voting no one has a majority. one wackadoodle third of the country versus another.
seriously dudes check out preferential balloting. it's totally hot.
Agreed, but when those who choose to participate in what should be a pretty straightfoward process have their votes tampered with or not counted, or worse, doesn't that destroy even the ideal of democracy? Even as flawed as it is in its present state in the US.
Now if you want to argue, the candidates suck, that's why so many people don't vote, I'm all for putting a 'none of the above' or a ficus plant or whatever on there, rather than being forced to choose what is often the lesser of two evils. An election where 'None of the Above' wins, might send a powerfull message. Imagine a Presidential race going that way (not that it'd ever be allowed to happen).
Preferntial balloting is an interesting idea, but it still kinda promotes a two party system in the end, doesn't it? |
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finnagain
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, we totally need to bring back the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard gold standard. And somehow reanimate William Jennings Bryan. And John Maynard Keynes.
Actually, I would pay to see a boxing match between Keynes and Milton Freeman. I think Keynes would dominate the early rounds but tire himself out, a la Foreman/Ali "Rumble in the Jungle".
EDIT: and then we'd be left with a huge surplus of corn.
POSTSCRIPT: Also, ferrets creep me out.
SERIOUS NOTE: How did the neoclassical economic model come to be regarded as gospel, among economists?
ANOTHER EDIT: The "Freeman" thing was a pun on Milton Friedman, and not a very good one either. I thought it funny at the time. But puns are rarely funny. |
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dhex
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Preferntial balloting is an interesting idea, but it still kinda promotes a two party system in the end, doesn't it?
well, a two party culture does that. if nothing else it gives people a chance to vote against candidates in multiple stages. it does provide more of a wedge for third party candidates as well, in that someone might vote against a republican or a democrat as their second choice rather than pick the other evil - presuming there were third parties that weren't so obviously identified on the political axis, of course. i.e. you may hate a democrat, but you'd probably vote natural law or constitution party or something theocratic before you'd pick the greens or other socialist groups.
but we're a two party system until something or another rips one of the two majors apart - if such a thing were to happen my bets would be on a major defection from religious conservatives from the republicans or the loss of the black and latino bloc on the dem's side because of gay rights issues. the culture war is unfortunately king; unfortunate because it is so utterly meaningless in many cases (consequentially, i mean, in a way that tax code changes always are; the issues themselves are horrendously meaningful.)
i'm kinda surprised friedman is still alive (him and his wife are 90-something) but his voucher project is interesting. free to choose is worth reading, even if you finish reading it and go "you're wrong!"
edit: in answer to your question, i don't know. you'd have to ask an economist (swimmy?) but if i were to guess, i'd say it's much like how social workers are wrapped up in the idea of state intervention; if your whole life is modeling how people make choices, etc etc and so forth. |
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finnagain
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: |
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dhex wrote:
i'm kinda surprised friedman is still alive (him and his wife are 90-something) but his voucher project is interesting. free to choose is worth reading, even if you finish reading it and go "you're wrong!"
No way -- but you are right, he's still alive!
That blows my mind.
Maybe that's the reason he's obtained this mythical aura, now -- follow my philosophy, and you'll live forever!
He's the real John Galt! (if that was the name of Ayn Rand's perfect human in 'atlas shrugged,' which I did manage to finish, somehow.)
EDIT: A long time ago. Sorry for all these edits; I think I just didn't sleep well last night, on account of the election excitement and finding my dreamcast, which I had thought to be lost forever.) |
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klikbeep
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Man.
So if God chooses the leaders, why'd he become all pro-gay and anti-life all of a sudden? |
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finnagain
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It wouldn't be the first time God has supported -- or at least not been troubled by -- homosexuality.
It's been a while since I've looked though the Old Testament, but King David struck me as pretty bisexual. |
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luvcraft
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Mister Toups wrote:
Free health care for all!
FHC FTW!!!
Axelay wrote:
Less child molestors/wife stranglers/people who play and sleep with dead fetuses or think the rapture is coming, in office?
Oh please! First of all, that wasn't his wife, that was his MISTRESS. Mistress-strangling is totally acceptable. And second of all, he claimed that he was "just giving her a massage" (no, really, he claimed that). And third of all, NO MORE SATORUM!! HAPPY DAY!!! |
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BalbanesBeoulve
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Guys, i'm in a pretty good mood. |
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LW Joestar
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| yay little-endians! |
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Axelay
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luvcraft wrote:
Mister Toups wrote:
Free health care for all!
FHC FTW!!!
Axelay wrote:
Less child molestors/wife stranglers/people who play and sleep with dead fetuses or think the rapture is coming, in office?
Oh please! First of all, that wasn't his wife, that was his MISTRESS. Mistress-strangling is totally acceptable. And second of all, he claimed that he was "just giving her a massage" (no, really, he claimed that). And third of all, NO MORE SATORUM!! HAPPY DAY!!!
Damn, you're right it was his mistress. My bad. My apologies to the Mistress strangler.
Yes, it is a happy day that Satorum is gone. It'll be an even better day if the Macacca guy loses too. |
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finnagain
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Did anyone notice the Satorum ads in which he tried to claim himself as bipartisan? In the middle of a wrestling ring?
I mean -- we the people have been proven easily duped many a time, but RICK SANTORUM claiming to be moderate and bipartisan just insults everyone's intelligence. |
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inmatarian
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| I like that joke Steven Colbert made: They've been in charge for minutes now and they've let the Iraq mess get worse. |
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dhex
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Did anyone notice the Satorum ads in which he tried to claim himself as bipartisan? In the middle of a wrestling ring?
links please. |
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Broco
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Rumsfeld just resigned!
Woooooo! |
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LegatoB
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| Bush looks like he's going to cry. |
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sethsez
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Santorum (whose name, incidentally, was given the best definition ever by Savage Love) is gone. This makes me happy.
Rumsfeld is gone. This makes me giddy. |
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aderack
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| What I like about San Francisco is the Democrats are generally classified as the right-wing nutjobs. Republicans are about as much of an option here as the Freedom Party. |
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Maztorre
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: |
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dhex wrote:
seriously dudes check out preferential balloting. it's totally hot.
We already checked it out here in Northern Ireland and the same bigots get voted in LET IT GO MAN |
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luvcraft
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Maztorre wrote:
dhex wrote:
seriously dudes check out preferential balloting. it's totally hot.
We already checked it out here in Northern Ireland and the same bigots get voted in LET IT GO MAN
STV probably would have made the Virginia race settle now instead of a month from now, but I think that's about it.
Even in the 2000 presidential race I, like a lot of people, voted for Nader because I thought (foolishly) that Bush or Gore would be equally bad, and would have cast a second-choice vote for neither. |
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dhex
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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We already checked it out here in Northern Ireland and the same bigots get voted in LET IT GO MAN
i didn't say the choices would necessarily be better, maz. just different:
1: 3rd party whackadoodle (I)
2: statist assfuck (R)
3: statist assfuck (D)
see? |
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Sync-Swim
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: |
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I woke up a few minutes ago and giggled when I turned on the TV and saw "RUMSFELD RESIGNS". Probably for the best considering what sort of inquiries/investigations Pelosi was planning to ream his position with.
My satisfaction has more to do with a symbolic (the top 1% tax cuts don't nullify till 2010) punching of neoconservatism in the vagina. Pelosi is sort of a Tiberius Gracchus figure for Northern California, but she's already starting to play the Optimates role as Speaker.
Oh it seems Rumsy will be replaced with someone involved in Iran-Contra. |
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aderack
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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luvcraft wrote:
Even in the 2000 presidential race I, like a lot of people, voted for Nader because I thought (foolishly) that Bush or Gore would be equally bad, and would have cast a second-choice vote for neither.
Yup.
I still blame that on the Democrats for not finding someone I was comfortable voting for.
Stand for something already, you ninnie washouts! The Democratic party is the Gaius Baltar of the US political system. Except not as empathetic or resourceful. |
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Legal Step
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Aderack I concur. At least with control of the house they control the purse strings. |
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Ethoscapade
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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we won montana!!!
holy cow! you can tell i'm excited because i have now acquiesced to the term "we" !!!
i go out of my way every minute of my life to not pledge allegiance to anybody and holy cow we have fifty possibly fifty-one seats in the senate and the house is ours oh wow |
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dhex
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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i wonder if rick is getting some pity sex tonight?
additional commentary from bureaucrash:
Submitted by Coach Bob on Wed, 2006/11/08 - 14:55. I particularly like the look on the son's face, as though he just realized in a sudden moment of clarity that he's gay and that his daddy hates him.
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luvcraft
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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dhex wrote:
i wonder if rick is getting some pity sex tonight?
The face front and center screams "Oh God, daddy's gonna 'pity sex' me in the ass again tonight. Please, Baby Jesus, strike me dead right here and now." |
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showka
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Gross.
Guys I'm so excited about this I'm dangerously neglecting work. It's like I keep listening to the news and expecting them to announce all of these changes to how everything is right away. |
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Lestrade
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| Later, Rumsie!!! Let's hope this brings some order to your very chaos-wracked country. |
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inmatarian
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| The house, the senate, and rumsfeld. Wow. I wonder how many people had a joygasm because of this development. |
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finnagain
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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dhex wrote:
Did anyone notice the Satorum ads in which he tried to claim himself as bipartisan? In the middle of a wrestling ring?
links please.
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w061106&s=fairbanks110706
It is the one at the bottom of the page.
Oh man, is it great. |
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finnagain
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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inmatarian wrote:
The house, the senate, and rumsfeld. Wow. I wonder how many people had a joygasm because of this development.
Now, of course, the Dems have to DO something. Best case scenario is, they don't fuck up so bad Obama runs independent. |
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| man the socialist party never wins what gives |
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extralife
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klikbeep wrote:
Man.
So if God chooses the leaders, why'd he become all pro-gay and anti-life all of a sudden?
Except he didn't. The Democratic party has largely distanced themselves from the women's and gay rights issues. They don't want to alienate the all important asshole vote, you know. |
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Scratchmonkey
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Mr. Apol wrote:
man the socialist party never wins what gives
What are you talking about? First socialist Senator ever. |
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winkerwanker
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Fuck gay people. |
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finnagain
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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winkerwanker wrote:
Fuck gay people.
If it's consensual.
Homophobia is gay. |
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Toto
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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It is a bit upsetting that the gay people issue gets preferential treatment over, say, the issue of international aid to the poor.
Winker if this isn't what you were getting at don't correct me it makes you sound smarter. |
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winkerwanker
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Toto this is exactly what i was getting at thank you. |
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