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Legal Step



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: Kramer hates black people

http://qqq.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape/

The receptionist at our office was there when it happened.

Crazy...

talk about how dead kramer's career is now, use marketplace points when describing how fucked he is...thanks

This might be in the General Forum but I've given up checking for fear of Doctor Who spoilers.

Note the other racist celebrities link on the bottom is helpful.
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Mr. Mechanical



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:32 am    Post subject:

I voted no on their "Is Micheal Richards a racist?" poll, just to see how many no votes there were. It was a surprising 40% of the majority of votes.
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Diplocephalus



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:34 am    Post subject:

oh.

...oh.
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Legal Step



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:37 am    Post subject:

It looks like he's worse than Mel Gibson. To be fair, Mel was drunk and powerful. Micheal Richards is just a jerk.
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Diplocephalus



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:48 am    Post subject:

Mr. Mechanical wrote:
their "Is Micheal Richards a racist?" poll


lol.

seems as if richards was just waiting to explode.
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Mr. Mechanical



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:43 pm    Post subject:

Cosmo Kramer wrote:
Richards, who played the wacky Cosmo Kramer on the hit TV show "Seinfeld," appeared onstage at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood. Kyle Doss, an African-American, told TMZ he and some friends were in the cheap seats and he was playfully heckling Richards when suddenly, the comedian lost it.

The camera started rolling just as Richards began his attack, screaming at one of the men, "Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f***ing fork up your ass."

Richards continued, "You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now motherf**ker. Throw his ass out. He's a nigger! He's a nigger! He's a nigger! A nigger, look, there's a nigger!"

The crowd is visibly and audibly confused and upset. Richards responds by saying, "They're going to arrest me for calling a black man a nigger."


Can we really blame him though? I mean, his time in the spotlight has clearly passed and his star has faded. On top of all that, he gets heckled by the darkies in local comedy clubs. Man, I think that's enough to make anyone racist.
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Captain EO



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:52 pm    Post subject:

that was surreal

he sounded....unhinged

Man, I don't think I'll ever be able to watch Seinfeld again.
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Mister Toups



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject:



that's avatar material right there.
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boojiboy7



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:02 pm    Post subject:

If only it was a picture of R. Kelly, I would be on it in a second.
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extralife



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject:

maybe this is why there were no black people in seinfeld
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Captain EO



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject:

I heard it rumored that that Elder of Zion Larry David only hired Semitic people for major roles. Confirm/deny
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Ging



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject:

huh. Seems like it's more a symptom of breaking down and hating everybody.
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bort



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:42 pm    Post subject:

I bet he has a book coming out.
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Waffen



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:52 pm    Post subject:

(you heard him scream "he's a niia, he's a niia, he's a niia!!!11" on stage, with a microphone, in a room full of 350 people?

yeah, thats a "kooky" comic guy gone wrong. he's trying to "be out there" and be all crazy like his janitor character or kramer but its in LA in the year 2006 in a club full of "hot chicks" and "brothers in vip" and that just doesn't jive.

poor guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

he would have fit in a lot better at a progressive jazz club doing spoken word but... yeah. wrong place michael.)

upon further review of the tape I think the guy just might be a fucking asshole.
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Pijaibros



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject:

Kramer now apologizes in the most uncomfortable way possible. National Television.

He'll go to rehab for a season and have a good time and we'll forget. I'm just surprised Sharpton and friends didn't burn him on a stake.
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Waffen



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject:

Pijaibros wrote:
Kramer now apologizes in the most uncomfortable way possible. National Television.

He'll go to rehab for a season and have a good time and we'll forget. I'm just surprised Sharpton and friends didn't burn him on a stake.


I can't tell if they're being "actors" and "acting" or they're being sincere.

damn professionals.
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Hot Stott Bot



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject:

Waffen wrote:
Pijaibros wrote:
Kramer now apologizes in the most uncomfortable way possible. National Television.

He'll go to rehab for a season and have a good time and we'll forget. I'm just surprised Sharpton and friends didn't burn him on a stake.


I can't tell if they're being "actors" and "acting" or they're being sincere.

damn professionals.


I doubt they can tell themselves.
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Waffen



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:35 pm    Post subject:

either (pronouced eye-ther) way you can feel Kramer's rage.

and its real.
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George



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:55 pm    Post subject:

Mel Gibson was drunk when he said racist things to a cop that had pulled him over. Somewhat understandable.

Michael Richards was sober and said racist things to a PAYING AUDIENCE. Un fucking beleivable. If the guy is so insecure about being past the peak of his career, then he shouldn't perform. It's not like he needs the money.
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Hot Stott Bot



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject:

George wrote:
Mel Gibson was drunk when he said racist things to a cop that had pulled him over. Somewhat understandable.

Michael Richards was sober and said racist things to a PAYING AUDIENCE. Un fucking beleivable. If the guy is so insecure about being past the peak of his career, then he shouldn't perform. It's not like he needs the money.


Personally, I find the former more offensive/disturbing/etc. than the latter.
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FortNinety



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject:

Its somewhat common knowledge in various circles that Richards is a crazy eccentric, and such behavior is hardly surprising.

It's always the "wacky" comic actors that do shit like this. See: Bobcat Goldthwaite.
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Legal Step



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:58 am    Post subject:

George wrote:
Mel Gibson was drunk when he said racist things to a cop that had pulled him over. Somewhat understandable.


Technically Mel was an anti-semite, I think he's o.k. with black folks.
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inmatarian



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:20 am    Post subject:

I find it funny that the Brothers in the audience didn't know that he was also in UHF and Problem Child before he was in Seinfeld.
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evnvnv



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:56 am    Post subject:

in one of the 1,000 news pieces about this article, the picture of kramer they decided to show was one of him wearing the magic technicolor pimp coat, which i think is both incredibly hilarious and insanely offensive.

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antitype



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:01 pm    Post subject:

Cosmo KKKramer!
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TOLLMASTER



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject:

Hot Stott Bot wrote:
Waffen wrote:
Pijaibros wrote:
Kramer now apologizes in the most uncomfortable way possible. National Television.

He'll go to rehab for a season and have a good time and we'll forget. I'm just surprised Sharpton and friends didn't burn him on a stake.


I can't tell if they're being "actors" and "acting" or they're being sincere.

damn professionals.


I doubt they can tell themselves.


Youtube removed the clip :-(
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Moogs



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:48 pm    Post subject:

This is as good a thread as any to ask if there's ever been any backlash over the racist implications in Sambomaster's name.
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Pijaibros



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:13 pm    Post subject:

TOLLMASTER wrote:
Youtube removed the clip :-(

Google video still has it
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Legal Step



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:26 pm    Post subject:

I loved how the audience thought it was a joke. That really helped matters.
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George



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:00 pm    Post subject:

30 seconds in, he still could have spun it into a joke. Instead he just fought with the black guys and everyone left.
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brainiac



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:09 pm    Post subject:

extralife wrote:
maybe this is why there were no black people in seinfeld

no it's 'cause there are no blackos in jew york, okay. just watch a woody allen movie and you'll see all kinds of black schwartzes being-not-in-the-movie. 'cause they don't exist!
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showka



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject:

Man, watching this just made me feel sick.

I sort of wonder if Kramer isn't racist, but just kept saying those things because he was extremely enraged and just wanted to say whatever he could to make the hecklers mad. Unfortunetly, there's no way to know. If you watch it, it does seem at the end like he was trying to make it into a joke or act like he was being ironic or something, but he couldn't. It really does seem like he just lost control of himself.

I remember there was this fat girl in my sunday school class named "Latifa" (btw, she was white). One day after church, I was climbing a tree and she pulled off my shoe or something like that (I can't really remember) and I got extremely mad and called her "La-pig-ga." Afterwards (like immedietly after I said it) I felt really bad, because A. you shouldn't call people fat and B. you shouldn't say hateful sounding things to girls. I knew that, and I don't hate fat people but I said it anyway.

So, like I said, maybe he doesn't hate black people but just used the n-word because he was mad at the guy and really wanted to piss him off?

The flaw here though is that, at the time, I felt like I had used a dirty trick by exposing some flaw of Latifa's that was simply not PC to say, i.e. that she was overweight. Maybe on some level Kramer felt like he was exposing some flaw in the audience, i.e. that they were black, so traditionally they would be underprivaleged, so how dare they insult such a nice white person as he.

Anytime people reach for words like that though, they have lost it. I don't feel sorry for him but I do kind of pity him, what it must've felt like up there after the n-word had first left his mouth, and just the terrible burden of knowing there was no way he was getting out of that hole as he kept digging it deeper.

On a side note, this is why I neverdon't use the word "bitch." If you're ever pissed off at someone you should just stick with the words "asshole" or "jerk" or "dick." Bringing in gender or racial specific nouns into the mix only makes you seem like you hate them for having certain genetic qualities which are not even flaws that they could not help being born into.
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GcDiaz



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:34 pm    Post subject:

showka wrote:
The flaw here though is that, at the time, I felt like I had used a dirty trick by exposing some flaw of Latifa's that was simply not PC to say, i.e. that she was overweight. Maybe on some level Kramer felt like he was exposing some flaw in the audience, i.e. that they were black, so traditionally they would be underprivaleged, so how dare they insult such a nice white person as he.


Big difference between being fat and being black, in that you can NOT be fat. In La-pig-ga's case it was more a statement of fact than an insult. You have nothing to apologize for besides hurting her feelings.

And even then, if you meant to do it, then it's tough cookies for her.
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DeusJester



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject:

Legal Step wrote:
I loved how the audience thought it was a joke. That really helped matters.


Did you see his apology on David Letterman? It's almost more painful to watch.
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softlogic



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject:

showka wrote:

I remember there was this fat girl in my sunday school class named "Latifa" etc.


There's a big difference between sunday school kids and grown adults who are supposed to behave responsibly. Even if the dude "isn't racist," (and how can we possibly assume that, based on his actions) he was still being a total childish prick, and deserves whatever flack he's going to get about it.
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Moogs



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:02 pm    Post subject:

He failed to realise that there's a difference between "niggers" and "niggas."

If that guy was talking during the performance, then he was the latter.
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Legal Step



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject:

DeusJester wrote:
Legal Step wrote:
I loved how the audience thought it was a joke. That really helped matters.


Did you see his apology on David Letterman? It's almost more painful to watch.


Sorry Deus, that's what I was referring to. I failed to mention that. Yeah he would have been better served releasing a statement through his publicist and checking himself into rehab.

His Letterman appearance has to go down in history as one of the worst PR moves in the history of television.
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Red_venom



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:34 pm    Post subject:

The letterman thing just looked like Seinfeld trying to save his buddy's ass or w/e. I got a very "white folks stick together" vibe from it; [
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GcDiaz



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject:

Red_venom wrote:
The letterman thing just looked like Seinfeld trying to save his buddy's ass or w/e. I got a very "white folks stick together" vibe from it; [


So they work together on one show for 7 years, possibly more counting the times before and after Seinfeld, and Jerry only backs him because he's a fellow white devil? Come on now.


His Letterman appearance has to go down in history as one of the worst PR moves in the history of television.


But see, that's the thing. A lot of people are seeing this and are actually shocked at how...sincere the apology appears to be. Yea, it could be a terrible PR move. But it could also not be a PR move at all. I honestly felt sorry for him as I watched it; can't say that's ever happened before, and celebrity-types get NO slack from me.

In any case, speaking as a darkie, he gets my forgiveness. He's made me laugh waaay too many times for me to just dismiss his worth as a human being.
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newave



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject:

that letterman video is just too damn awkward for me to sit through...
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Waffen



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject:

man this whole thing is so fucked up.. what an idiot.

I think the best part of this whole fandangle is the beginning of his Letterman apology and you see his face and its Kramer and he's doing the Kramer thing with his hands and people start laughing.

that pretty much sums the whole thing up for me.

its like Kramer got possessed or something and I can't tell if its funny, a publicity stunt or what. i can't tell
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Waffen



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject:

evnvnv wrote:
in one of the 1,000 news pieces about this article, the picture of kramer they decided to show was one of him wearing the magic technicolor pimp coat, which i think is both incredibly hilarious and insanely offensive.



dude, my local news, while advertising their 10 o'clock spot and this story, showed the damn cilp from him strolling down the street in that coat.
haha wtf!
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Captain Raeburn



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject:

extralife wrote:
maybe this is why there were no black people in seinfeld


Jackie Chiles.
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showka



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject:

GcDiaz wrote:
showka wrote:
The flaw here though is that, at the time, I felt like I had used a dirty trick by exposing some flaw of Latifa's that was simply not PC to say, i.e. that she was overweight. Maybe on some level Kramer felt like he was exposing some flaw in the audience, i.e. that they were black, so traditionally they would be underprivaleged, so how dare they insult such a nice white person as he.


Big difference between being fat and being black, in that you can NOT be fat. In La-pig-ga's case it was more a statement of fact than an insult. You have nothing to apologize for besides hurting her feelings.

And even then, if you meant to do it, then it's tough cookies for her.

I guess I didn't state that clearly enough, but yeah, I already knew that. The "flaw", i.e. the hint of racism in Kramer, is that he somehow thought that being black was some weakness he was exposing by using the n-word, like I thought I was really fighting dirty by calling a fat girl a pig.

The big difference between Kramer and I is that even though I'd rather not call people the n-word or a pig, I don't see how calling someone the n-word does anything to show the insultee in a negative light. So what I was saying is that even in the best case scenario, Kramer probably has some racism in him if he pulled for that to piss the guy off in the heat of the moment.
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Mr. Mechanical



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject:

showka wrote:
Kramer probably has some racism in him if he pulled for that to piss the guy off in the heat of the moment.


Or, you know, he figured that black people usually get really pissed off when white people call them niggers.
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Pijaibros



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject:

I was watching the Today show this morning and I was delighted to see that the two gentlemen that Kramer's insults were directed too were being interviewed.

Even more awesome, their white lawyer friend immediately flew into a rant about how Kramer has to compensate them for what he did. Sure, Kramer is a jerk for not being able to turn what he did into an edgy joke and instead just screamed and let it fall flat on its face, but this is just gonna make them two men seem like jerk offs attempting to cash-in.

The lawyer didn't even ask for an apology, just started demanding payment to his clients.

Classy!
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DeusJester



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject:

Pijaibros wrote:
but this is just gonna make them two men seem like jerk offs attempting to cash-in


It's a pretty safe bet they were jerkoffs to begin with. As shocking as it was that Michael Richards did what he did, they were still two drunk assholes heckling the guy.
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showka



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:26 pm    Post subject:

Guys I really don't want to think of Kramer as a racist. Lets build a time machine so we can prevent this horrible event.

I thought his apology on Letterman looked really sincere, and he seemed like he really felt sick about it and thought it was horrible.
Compare this to Mel Gibson's apology. First he delayed giving a real apology by issuing some BS (something like, "I'm sorry to anyone who interpretted my comments in a bad way") and then blamed being drunk. Although handling an apology for a racist tirade better than Mel Gibson isn't a big accomplishment.
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brainiac



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:26 pm    Post subject:

Pijaibros wrote:
Even more awesome, their white lawyer friend immediately flew into a rant about how Kramer has to compensate them for what he did.

dude, i don't think that's how the law works. somebody should tell their lawyer that isn't how the law works. you don't get free money just for being called a mean name.

oh

their lawyer is gloria allred. lawls.
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Diplocephalus



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject:

i must admit i find it slightly ironic how the black men deemed richards' antics unnecessary while they flung back racial terms

still nigger has worse connotations
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